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<p>[QUOTE=&quot;7Jags, post: 8309125, member: 78719&quot;]Hmmm, admittedly not my series but look at the 1974 PL coin above; it clearly is PL. The coins in the OP 1985 do not appear similar at all with much greater cameo contrast. Also, the rims are buried into the plastic holder at many locations thereby making at least to my eyes it difficult to determine if rim edges are rounded in the manner of a currency type uncirculated coin. Look at wiring and even near finning on such as the 2 Franc &amp; orange peeling on the fields on both the 2 and 5 francs as further examples of proof characteristics and not just mirror reflectivity which can be seen on the finest of DMPL (sorry for the US coin terminology) specimens.</p><p>Then look at sonlarson&#039;s examples where this 1985 set is much closer to the 1987 proof set than the 1974 uncirculated set. What may be apparent cameo contrast on the denomination datals on the 20 c. coin is seen on other proofs; there appears to me at least to be friction at the plastic coin interface in the fields around the numerals that I am not at all sure reflect an incompletely struck flans.</p><p>Also, in general I am not impressed with cases used to define the coins within although they can provide a clue. I am as I said not a specialist in Swiss issues but have seen holders or cases that can be misleading.</p><p>As an additional point, &quot;Fleur de Coin&quot; as most readers know essentially and nearly directly translated as &quot;flower of the coin&quot;. Most definitions in sources describe these coins as perfect and as they left the dies - the first conditional tends to push us toward thinking of proof coins although in a much perhaps currency coins might fit. I would think that such a currency coins would be of higher quality than MS 65 IMHO.</p><p>In the end, how does each coin stand on its own and does it really matter what we call it.[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>

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