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<p>[QUOTE=&quot;panzerman, post: 2378223, member: 77704&quot;]Thank you!</p><p><br /></p><p>Yes, the bear was the symbol for Bern (hence the name) way before the &quot;Russian&quot; bear, of course both are Brown Bears! There is a dated 1492 Four Goldgulden, it already has the bear on obv./St. Vincent on rev.</p><p>John[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>

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