Suspicious Morgan- Prove me right, or wrong...

Discussion in 'Coin Chat' started by Arnold Coindexter, Dec 28, 2018.

  1. Arnold Coindexter

    Arnold Coindexter New Member

    Let me start by saying I’m fairly new to collecting. I know buying graded coins from a reputable dealer is the safest way, but I can’t fight the temptation to click through endless amounts of raw coins, searching for hidden treasure. I came across this 1878-CC Morgan, and it caught my attention immediately; however, after closer inspection, I found some concerns which I’ll list below. For my own satisfaction, I’d love to hear what some of you experienced guys have to say. Prove me right, or prove me wrong, either way I’m anxious to hear your thoughts. By the way, the coin was weighed at 26.78 grams and the seller is asking around MS60 price.

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    Here’s the potential problems that I see:
    Obverse:
    1. Date looks different to me when compared to know genuine examples. Upper portion of the 1 seems snubbed shorter than most, and both 8’s appear to have more rounded inner voids; whereas, the others were slightly elongated.
    2. The stars around the perimeter are all kinds of mushy. Not crisp at all.
    3. The strike detail of the ear seems rather poor.
    4. There’s extra “material” for lack of a better word in and around B-U-S in PLURIBUS.
    5. Overall the fields are so clean that it raised my suspicion.

    Reverse:
    6. The CC mint looks larger than all the others of the same date and year.
    7. The legs on the eagle look like they have more bands than the example coins. Has the appearance of wearing “striped socks”.
    8. Super clean fields again on the back just make me feel like it’s just too good.

    So there you have it. Am I looking too hard, or did I sniff out a fake? Let’s hear your opinion...
     
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  3. Southernman189

    Southernman189 Well-Known Member

    sometimes a simple drop on a counter top will give away a counterfeit, it won't have the silver "ring" sound. a fake will sound like "thud" also I have picked up a few with magnets that were fake.
     
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  4. Southernman189

    Southernman189 Well-Known Member

    Peter Davis could you contact me? I tried every which way to Email you and I can't for some reason. I might need updating on here. Thanks
     
  5. hotwheelsearl

    hotwheelsearl Well-Known Member

    Well if you have 13 reasons why you think it's fake, it's probably fake...
     
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  6. SilverMike

    SilverMike Well-Known Member

    The stars alone are a big clue. Doesn’t look genuine to me.
     
  7. lordmarcovan

    lordmarcovan Eclectic & Eccentric Moderator

    The flat and squishy lettering of UNUM looks "off" to me, as does the overall appearance of the coin. Smells very fishy.

    I believe this one deserves a gold sticker.

    No, not the kind CAC gives out.

    This kind of gold sticker:
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  8. thomas mozzillo

    thomas mozzillo Well-Known Member

    I agree the stars are mushy and the date doesn't look right.
     
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  9. longshot

    longshot Enthusiast Supporter

    Fake, and not even a good one.
     
  10. heavycam.monstervam

    heavycam.monstervam Outlaw Trucker & Coin Hillbilly

    I noticed the Stars right away but what really gives this one away is the reverse. Fake-
    This die pair never happened.
     
  11. longshot

    longshot Enthusiast Supporter

    I was just gonna say that.
     
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  12. Mkman123

    Mkman123 Well-Known Member

    the mushiness of the stars give it away
     
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  13. Bambam8778

    Bambam8778 Well-Known Member

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  14. Collecting Nut

    Collecting Nut Borderline Hoarder

    If you are questioning it being fake then it probably is. Go with your gut.

    Welcome to CT.
     
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  15. V. Kurt Bellman

    V. Kurt Bellman Yes, I'm blunt! Get over your "feeeeelings".

    On the obverse, the detail in and around the hair is far too much when compared with the stars' lack thereof. Fake.
     
  16. TypeCoin971793

    TypeCoin971793 Just a random guy on the internet

    The style of the luster is completely wrong, and the rims have a mushy appearance. Closer examination on the rims revealed a bunch of raised bumps and toolmarks. This coin is not genuine. Return it if you can.
     
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  17. TypeCoin971793

    TypeCoin971793 Just a random guy on the internet

    EPU and the stars on the obverse are god-awful. Very incredibly mushy and ill-defined.

    CC is the wrong style for 1878
     
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  18. V. Kurt Bellman

    V. Kurt Bellman Yes, I'm blunt! Get over your "feeeeelings".

    Besides, those are Elvis Presley's lips. Thank you, thank you very much.
     
  19. chascat

    chascat Well-Known Member

    Everything about it is FAKE...I asked my other half to look at it and she replied "That looks Chinese!"
     
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  20. Michael K

    Michael K Well-Known Member

    It's not even my area and 1 look and I say fake.
     
  21. physics-fan3.14

    physics-fan3.14 You got any more of them.... prooflikes?

    This is a very easy fake to spot. Took me 10 seconds, and I found a whole list of other problems than you listed. Definitely fake.
     
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