Suspect Coins

Discussion in 'US Coins Forum' started by JackG, Aug 23, 2015.

  1. JackG

    JackG New Member

    I bought a slabbed Anacs coin graded as AU Details with damage and chop marks. I was lucky the dealer I bought it from refunded my money but it bothered me it was slabbed. I even contacted Anacs and they verified the serial number as belonging to a 76S trade dollar. Is it possible I jumped the gun in sending it back? Here is a picture of the reverse. Notice all the bumps on the fields.

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  3. longnine009

    longnine009 Darwin has to eat too. Supporter

    It may be pitting from a rusted die.
     
    Last edited: Aug 23, 2015
  4. doug5353

    doug5353 Well-Known Member

    My opinion -- look at the "S" in Grains --- pure FAKE. The chop doesn't look right, either; looks like it was added last Tuesday.
     
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  5. Collecting Nut

    Collecting Nut Borderline Hoarder

    If for any reason you had cause to believe the best thing for you top do was send it back, then you made the correct decision.
     
  6. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator

    That large lump down beside the D in Dollar, I don't know what it is but that's not from any rusted die. Nor would it be found on any genuine coin unless there is a corresponding indentation on the obv. Is there ?
     
  7. David Setree Rare Coins

    David Setree Rare Coins Well-Known Member

    Interesting to see if that lump corresponds with a chop on the obverse. The rest could be OK.
     
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  8. Fritz Voecks

    Fritz Voecks New Member

    The coin may have spent years in the sea and suffered because of the salt water and other things on the bottom of the ocean. We have had 100's of them over the years with really thick black gunk that must have been oil that sank with the coins and formed a tar like substance that coated the coins.. These bubbles may also have been caused by heat from the sinking ships or trying to remove that tar.
     
  9. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator

    I think it would take more than a chop mark to do that. I've seen many coins with chop marks and not one ever had corresponding marks on the opposite side.

    Now a countermarked coin, yeah, they have corresponding flat spots on the opposite side, but never lumps like that.
     
  10. SierraGreene

    SierraGreene New Member

    When a coin is graded with details, does it come with an explanation of what those details are? (I only have 2 slabbed coins & neither have details.)

    Thanks from a newbie.
     
  11. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator

    Well, kinda but not really. NGC will add a short note that may say - harshly cleaned obv or whatever. And PCGS puts a code number on the slab, and it is up to you know what the codes mean. They are found here - http://www.pcgs.com/grades/
     
  12. messydesk

    messydesk Well-Known Member

    Those lumps are probably occluded gas. If you poke them with a stick, they'll give. It's a planchet issue and not something that can be used as a diagnostic for a real/fake coin. They can also be caused/exacerbated by application of heat, although any discoloration that would have resulted seems to have been cleaned away. You may have jumped the gun returning it, but if you really didn't like the coin, you did the right thing.
     
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  13. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator

    In a modern coin I'd accept that as a possibility, but in a Trade Dollar ? It's not something I've ever even heard of let alone seen in a 19th century coin John.
     
  14. messydesk

    messydesk Well-Known Member

    And yet, it is. I've seen it in Morgan dollars.
     
  15. Kentucky

    Kentucky Supporter! Supporter

    I sometimes have occluded gas, but please don't poke me.
     
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  16. silentnviolent

    silentnviolent accumulator--selling--make an offer I can't refuse

    Could also be a die dent...
     
  17. Treashunt

    Treashunt The Other Frank

    Why not contact ANACS direct?
     
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