Suspect Certified 1882 GB Shilling

A friend from "across the pond" sent me a note that this internet listed 1882 shilling is counterfeit.

He wrote a short article on this and his 1863 as counterfeits using handmade dies; cites the dates are way off to genuine examples.

I have included images of the subject example in the PCGS slab as well as images from his article.





Comparison images of this one on the left to a genuine one on the right courtesy PCGS CoinFacts.





Owner just sent me the cert number and this is the image on-line:




Thoughts appreciated!

 

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Yes, genuine PCGS slab and cert...

 

A note from another forum:



@lordmarcovan I'm not ready for the cert to be killed just yet!

 

lordmarcovan, posted: "The lettering in ONE SHILLING looks wonky, and gives the whole thing that familiar "Made In China" appearance. I wouldn't be surprised if the slab is also counterfeit..."

Note to all of you...

It is often very easy to find "wonky" parts of a fake when you have a genuine comparison piece next to it. The PCGS graders did not. I would be shocked to find out there is even one true expert on British coins inside a US based TPGS no matter how long they dealt in British coins previously. The suspect piece is worn and I expect it would fool most folks if it is a fake.

 

Several experts in British coins have told me it is 100% fake...

 

Reverse comparison to a known genuine example on the right (courtesy Heritage):

 

Compaed to the genuine the font on the ONE and S are all wrong. On the genuine the inside of the O is broad and somewhat squarted off, on the fake it is more oval. The serifs on the N (especially the base of the left upright) are thin and curved on the genuine and blocky and squared off on the fake. On the E not the shape of the cent bar, on the genuine triangular, thin and long on the right edge, on the fake blocky and somewhat square. The inner curves of the S are completely different in shape and the serifs are much better formed on the genuine. The date fonts are very different with those on the fake being much cruder.

 

I have enough trouble making sure the US coins I purchase are legit. I cannot imagine what it is like while trying to purchase foreign coins/currency.
Send a bit thanks to those who do let us know when things are fake.
Semper Fi

 

Everyone is mentioning the "wonky" fonts on the reverse, but what about the portrait? Unless she got an eye and nose job, it isn't even close.

 

I hadn't really even looked atht eobverse but you are right the busts are rather different.

 

This one is on its way to join my other researched Dark Side Collection examples...

 

The research is a great part of my interest in examples like this!

Found another one- site with image and translated story:

 

First 1&8 don’t line up to good. (Denicals). Also looks high

 

IMO, these C/F Shillings were not made in the 1960's. They may have been made in the 1970's but I'll bet they appeared later. It will be interesting to discover when the first of these appeared in a British auction.

 

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