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<p>[QUOTE="GDJMSP, post: 1978136, member: 112"]It is thinking like this that got us to where we are today with TPG grading standards being lowered to the point that they are almost meaningless, and at times a joke. It is thinking like this that got problem coins into slabs to begin with, after 20 years of flat refusal to do so, and market agreement with that policy. Which was based on 40 years worth of previous market agreement when the first grading book was written.</p><p><br /></p><p>The standard has always been, and still is, that no problem coin can be graded because no problem coin can have a grade because of that problem. To go against that policy opens up an huge can of worms.</p><p><br /></p><p>For example, a coin is scratched badly enough that it is no longer gradeable. You're saying it should be graded anyway. But what if that scratch was intentional, put there on purpose by an individual. Is that coin still gradeable ? And of course there is never any way of knowing if that scratch was intentional or not. Then you have the issue of severity. Yeah, we have it already, it is subjective as to whether or not a scratch is severe enough to make the coin ungradeable based on the size and depth of the scratch as compared to the size of the coin. But how much further beyond that can you go ? What of there are 2 scratches, 3, a half dozen ? Is that coin still going to be gradeable ?</p><p><br /></p><p>Then you have the issues of harsh cleaning, that alone comes in a thousand different forms. Are all of them acceptable, or only some ? And what about tooling ? Or mint mark removal, or the addition of - are those coins gradeable too ? How about test cuts, or graffiti, love tokens ? Can you grade those coins too ? And then we have repairs, plugging holes, adding putty to fill in scratches and contact marks, laser repairs to melt away scratches, hairlines, marks - are all of those coins gradeable too ? They are ALL Problem coins !</p><p><br /></p><p>The point is, where do you draw the line ? When does a coin become ungradeable ? Rather obviously it has to has to happen at some point. This is the reason why problem coins are not gradeable, and have not ever been gradeable since the very concept of grading was first thought of over a hundred years ago.</p><p><br /></p><p>And you want to do away with that ? We've got a big enough mess as it is, let's not make it any worse ![/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>
[QUOTE="GDJMSP, post: 1978136, member: 112"]It is thinking like this that got us to where we are today with TPG grading standards being lowered to the point that they are almost meaningless, and at times a joke. It is thinking like this that got problem coins into slabs to begin with, after 20 years of flat refusal to do so, and market agreement with that policy. Which was based on 40 years worth of previous market agreement when the first grading book was written. The standard has always been, and still is, that no problem coin can be graded because no problem coin can have a grade because of that problem. To go against that policy opens up an huge can of worms. For example, a coin is scratched badly enough that it is no longer gradeable. You're saying it should be graded anyway. But what if that scratch was intentional, put there on purpose by an individual. Is that coin still gradeable ? And of course there is never any way of knowing if that scratch was intentional or not. Then you have the issue of severity. Yeah, we have it already, it is subjective as to whether or not a scratch is severe enough to make the coin ungradeable based on the size and depth of the scratch as compared to the size of the coin. But how much further beyond that can you go ? What of there are 2 scratches, 3, a half dozen ? Is that coin still going to be gradeable ? Then you have the issues of harsh cleaning, that alone comes in a thousand different forms. Are all of them acceptable, or only some ? And what about tooling ? Or mint mark removal, or the addition of - are those coins gradeable too ? How about test cuts, or graffiti, love tokens ? Can you grade those coins too ? And then we have repairs, plugging holes, adding putty to fill in scratches and contact marks, laser repairs to melt away scratches, hairlines, marks - are all of those coins gradeable too ? They are ALL Problem coins ! The point is, where do you draw the line ? When does a coin become ungradeable ? Rather obviously it has to has to happen at some point. This is the reason why problem coins are not gradeable, and have not ever been gradeable since the very concept of grading was first thought of over a hundred years ago. And you want to do away with that ? We've got a big enough mess as it is, let's not make it any worse ![/QUOTE]
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