Sulla's Return

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How woudl you grade this coin?

Poll closed Jun 26, 2024.
  1. F or lower

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  2. VF

    11 vote(s)
    91.7%
  3. EF

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  1. Sulla80

    Sulla80 Well-Known Member

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    My latest coin is from 82BC and the time of Sulla's dictatorship after he settled quickly with Mithridates of Pontus and returned to Rome to counter his political rivals.

    Full story here: https://www.sullacoins.com/post/ulysses-return

    I've added poll to see how the CT crowd might grade this coin....vote if you have an opinion.

    Post coins from the 80's BCE (any, Greek, Roman, Eastern...) or anything else that you find interesting or entertaining.
     
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  3. GinoLR

    GinoLR Well-Known Member

    Since the 6th c. BC the coins of the city of Argos show an animal (or forepart, or head of an animal) always described as a wolf.
    On Athenian coins, there is a head of Athena
    On coins of Phocaea, there is a seal (in Greek phoke = seal)
    On coins of Carthage, there is a palm tree (in Greek phoinix = palm tree, but also Phoenician, Punic)
    Don't you think the wolf on coins of Argos should be interpreted as Argos, Ulysses' dog, feeling his master is back at last?

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    (not my coin)
     
  4. Sulla80

    Sulla80 Well-Known Member

    "Argos" in Greek (Ἄργος) can be translated into English as "shining" or "bright" and seems to have been connected to agricultural plains.
    I think the name is the same but there is no connection to Odysseus.
    Argos is one of the oldest cities in Greece and has been continuously inhabited for thousands of years. Its name most likely has pre-Greek origins (pre-Odysseus origins).
    Argos Argolis Cleopatra.jpg
    My notes on this coin are here: https://www.sullacoins.com/post/greeks-wolves-and-cleopatra
     
  5. Bing

    Bing Illegitimi non carborundum Supporter

    L Censorinus a.jpg
    L CENSORINUS ROMAN REPUBLIC; GENS MARCIA
    AR Denarius
    OBVERSE: Laureate head of Apollo right
    REVERSE: L CENSOR, the satyr, Marsyas, standing left with wineskin over shoulder; behind him, column surmounted by draped figure (Minerva?)
    Rome 82 BC
    3.66g, 17mm
    Cr363/1d, Marcia 24
    L CORNELIUS SULLA.jpg
    L CORNELIUS SULLA & L MALIUS ROMAN REPUBLIC; GENS CORNELIA
    AR Denarius
    OBVERSE: Helmeted head of Roma right, L MANLI PROQ
    REVERSE: Triumphator in quadriga right, crowned by Victory, L SVLLA IMP in ex.
    Rome 82 BC
    3.9g, 17mm
    Cr367/5; Cornelia39
    PUB CREPUSIUS.jpg
    PUB CREPUSIUS ROMAN REPUBLIC; GENS CREPUSIA
    AR Denarius
    OBVERSE: Laureate head of Apollo
    right, sceptre over shoulder
    REVERSE: Horseman right, brandishing spear; P CREPVSI in ex
    Rome 82 BC
    3.64g, 17mm
    Syd 738a, Cr361/1c, Crepusia 1
    L CORNELIUS SULLA FELIX.jpg
    L CORNELIUS SULLA FELIX ROMAN REPUBLIC; GENS CORNELIA
    AR Denarius
    OBVERSE: Diademed head of Venus right
    REVERSE: Double cornucopiae; Q below
    Rome 81 BC
    3.77g, 19mm
    Cr 375/2; Syd 755; Cornelia 33
     
  6. Sulla80

    Sulla80 Well-Known Member

    A nice Sullan collection @Bing :happy:
     
  7. Alegandron

    Alegandron "ΤΩΙ ΚΡΑΤΙΣΤΩΙ..." ΜΕΓΑΣ ΑΛΕΞΑΝΔΡΟΣ, June 323 BCE

    When I search my Database for Argos, (the reason that I got both of these coins), both of these coins show up! Argos the Dog, Argos the Wuff-Dog. :)

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    RR C Mamilius 82 BCE AR Den Serrate Mercury winged petasos caduceus Ulysses Dog Argos Sear 282 Craw 362-1


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    ARGOLIS Argos 490-470 BC AR Triobol 14mm 2.9g Forepart of wolf lying - A 2 incuse sqs pellet crossbar within shallow sq incuse BCD Peloponnesos 1009 R
     
  8. Sulla80

    Sulla80 Well-Known Member

    That said, @GinoLR, your coin does look much more dog-like than wolf-like to me :)
     
  9. Alegandron

    Alegandron "ΤΩΙ ΚΡΑΤΙΣΤΩΙ..." ΜΕΓΑΣ ΑΛΕΞΑΝΔΡΟΣ, June 323 BCE

    Sulla et Gens:

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    RR Manlius Torquatus L. Corn Sulla 82 BCE AR den 17mm 3.7g Mil mint w Sulla. Roma - Sulla triumpl quadriga vict wreath Cr 367-3 Syd 759 S 286



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    RR Faustus Cornelius Sulla 56 BCE AR Den Venus Signet Pompey S 386 Cr426-3



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    Athens AE19 c 87-86 BCE Time of SULLA Athena Zeus Sear Grk 2567 R1



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    RR P Cornelius Sulla 151 BCE AR Den Roma Biga S 84 Cr 205-1 SULLA's Uncle



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    RR Naevius Balbus 79 BCE AR Den Venus SC TRIGA Sulla S 309 Cr 382-1
     
  10. Sulla80

    Sulla80 Well-Known Member

  11. Alegandron

    Alegandron "ΤΩΙ ΚΡΑΤΙΣΤΩΙ..." ΜΕΓΑΣ ΑΛΕΞΑΝΔΡΟΣ, June 323 BCE

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  12. GinoLR

    GinoLR Well-Known Member

    The triumphator in the quadriga is no other than L. Cornelius Sylla. Of course, due to the small size of the coin, his features could not be reproduced, but it's obviously him. These denarii are the very first Roman coins representing a living person.
     
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  13. -jeffB

    -jeffB Greshams LEO Supporter

    And here I was all set to say "Welcome back to CoinTalk!" :oops:
     
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  14. rooman9

    rooman9 Lovin Shiny Things

    My tetradrachm of Argos, you can see the wolf/dog leaping by Zeus' knee. c.190 B.C., a rare type and mine is probably the best example I've seen. Pops a lot more in hand.
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  15. Sulla80

    Sulla80 Well-Known Member

    Thanks
    LOL - I have no plans to proscribe anyone myself.
     
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  16. ArtDeco

    ArtDeco Well-Known Member

    My denarius of Gaius Valerius Flaccus who was mostly neutral during the Sullan Civil War and this coin was then minted after Sulla ermerged victorious. This coin was struct in Massalia (Marseilles) in Gaul with approval by the Roman Senate to help Flaccus pay his troops during the remaining months of his governorship in Gaul.

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    C. VALERIUS FLACCUS
    Marseilles mint circa 82-83 BC
    19mm 3.85g
    Crawford 365/1b

    Obverse: Bust of Victory with caduceus on the right
    Reverse: Legionary Eagle flanked by two millitary standards that read (H) Hastati and (P) Principles. EX. S.C below.
     
  17. Sulla80

    Sulla80 Well-Known Member

    A lovely coin!
     
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