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<p>[QUOTE=&quot;dougsmit, post: 2492715, member: 19463&quot;]Usually coins struck from fake dies will vary in centering while casts tend to show consistent centering unless they are trimmed or tooled to make them look different.&nbsp; Tooling to make things look different or clean up little problems is not rare.&nbsp; These three are obvious casts.&nbsp; I can understand if you doubt that seeing just one, but the likelihood of finding three struck coins all that exact shape with the exact flow lines is quite remote (approaching 0).&nbsp; I am regularly amazed at &#039;experts&#039; who declare a coin to be a cast and then go on to say the style is wrong.&nbsp; Casts duplicate the style of the original from which they were molded so they must be saying that the coins are double fakes being casts made from struck fakes.&nbsp; These do exist since making cast fakes of an expensive coin requires having access to a genuine original.&nbsp; Starting with a fake is cheaper.&nbsp; You can not say a coin is genuine just because it has signs of being struck not cast.&nbsp; There are some really fine fakes being struck from hand cut original fake dies which capture the original style with varying degrees of success or are made mechanically from genuine coins.&nbsp; </p><p><br /></p><p>Recently CNG sold what I considered a great fake.&nbsp; </p><p><a href="https://www.cngcoins.com/Coin.aspx?CoinID=311509" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://www.cngcoins.com/Coin.aspx?CoinID=311509" rel="nofollow">https://www.cngcoins.com/Coin.aspx?CoinID=311509</a></p><p>The fake, original dies by early 1800&#039;s master forger Carl Becker of the rare usurper Pacatian were used to overstrike a genuine Roman denarius.&nbsp; The coin spent 1800 years as a genuine coin before it went over to the <i>really</i> dark side for the last 200.&nbsp;&nbsp; I did not buy it but I&#039;m not saying I think the buyer made a mistake.&nbsp; I doubt the coins in this thread will be at all cool in 200-2000 years but I could be wrong.[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>

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