Strike Through or Damage?

Discussion in 'Error Coins' started by tonylynch, Jul 13, 2006.

  1. tonylynch

    tonylynch RMO Collector

    Found this in the latest box. At first glance, I figured it was another one for my mangled collection, then I noticed what looks like part of a '1' in the incuse area near the date.
     

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  3. tonylynch

    tonylynch RMO Collector

    Close up of date
     

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    tonylynch RMO Collector

    Reverse
     

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  5. B12

    B12 Coin Hoarder

    My guess is damage.
     
  6. Bonedigger

    Bonedigger New Member

    Hello Tony,

    It looks like post mint damage to me as well.

    Take Care
    Ben
    Ret MSgt, USAF ;)
     
  7. mikediamond

    mikediamond Coin Collector

    Damaged outside the mint.
     
  8. mcgrover

    mcgrover Junior Member

  9. xeno108

    xeno108 New Member

    so what's the thing on the date???
     
  10. mcgrover

    mcgrover Junior Member

    Yeah, the "thing" by the date is a real problem. There doesn't seem to be a good explanation for this coin being created at the mint, bur the same can be said for outside the mint. Certainly there was some squeezing by something - tool, press - on the obv, but the squeezings don't leave the same fingerprint, and whatever might have squeezed it didn't flatten the "thing" by the date. I think there's some sort of 'clash' going on. But from what is the mystery. And the rev. doesn't line up with the obv. striking, but seems to be some lamination problem, esp. on the eaves of the Memorial. Anybody got a better idea how this could have been created?
     
  11. JBK

    JBK Coin Collector

    My guess:

    The four loops are not identical in shape. My guess is that the loop that was whacked or pressed near the date had a defect in it (indetation) that cause the protruding thing near the date. There is nothing to prove that that spot was protruding on the coin before the damage - in fact it is a safe bet it was not, as it was not flattened by the thing being pressed/struck on the coin. If the damaging object had an indentation, that would appear as a raised area withing the depressed area on the coin.
     
  12. Captainkirk

    Captainkirk 73 Buick Riviera owner

    This is a typical Klingon counterfeit cent from the year 19,811.
     
  13. predcarn

    predcarn New Member

    What is intersting to me about the extra sliver in the indentation is that
    is very close to the size and shape of the damaged top part of the "1".
    I have seen such on a lesser scale, and even with the good close up
    photos, it is hard to be certain. Perhaps the damage was not caused
    by just downward pressure, but maybe by a sideway movement also.
    It does appear on the close up of the date that some of the metal
    seems to be scraped on the edge of the indentation, and if so, the top
    of the one could have been moved along with metal movement.
     
  14. mcgrover

    mcgrover Junior Member

    It looks like the top of the 1 was sheared off and set next to the 1. How could this happen outside the striking process? And why wouldn't the 'thing' be squeezed flat? I think it happened at the mint, but I don't know exactly how.
     
  15. predcarn

    predcarn New Member

    From the appearances, my thought would be that the damage was at least
    in 2 direcions. First, downward pressure which pushed the entire "1" down
    into the depression and then as the pressure was releasing a slight sideways
    shear towards the rim, taking only the top part of the "1" that was in the
    depression. Since some of the pressure was relieved, only the upper section
    of the "1" was moved. Why not all the way off, I think the "scraping" tool
    was continuing to rise ( notice how the depression on the rim seems less
    deep than the field of the coin) and eventually stopped pushing it. I have
    never seen any similar patterns that might be mint made. Maybe it was a
    post mint device to push coins into "lucky horseshoe" pieces that was very
    badly adjusted. I have some "lucky" pieces, and if you look carefully on the
    edge of the coin sometimes there are depressions form this "second" pressing
    outside of the mint. JMHO.
     
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