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<p>[QUOTE="Curtis, post: 25026308, member: 26430"]Happy to have helped! It is really cool. (One more below, so I think fourth now.) Your reply reminded me to double-check; sadly, <a href="https://www.corpus-nummorum.eu/" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://www.corpus-nummorum.eu/" rel="nofollow">corpus-nummorum.eu</a> is still down (wish I knew why). I checked <a href="https://www.wildwinds.com/coins/greece/thrace/perinthos/t.html" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://www.wildwinds.com/coins/greece/thrace/perinthos/t.html" rel="nofollow">the wildwinds page for Thrace, Perinthos</a>....</p><p><br /></p><p>They have an example too (contributed in 2016, making it possibly the first example shared online), under "Schoenert 137-148 mule".</p><p><br /></p><p>Wildwinds calls it a "mule or test strike." But it was struck with different dies from your coin. Across all 4 specimens, looks like 2 or 3 obverse and reverse dies, which makes it seem more like a regular issue -- just a very rare one. (Notice also the different legend break, with the Θ being right or left of eagle head. Not sure if the legends vary in content at all.)</p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p><b>NOT MY COIN</b></p><p>[ATTACH=full]1601853[/ATTACH]</p><p><a href="https://www.wildwinds.com/coins/greece/thrace/perinthos/Schoenert_137-148mule.jpg" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://www.wildwinds.com/coins/greece/thrace/perinthos/Schoenert_137-148mule.jpg" rel="nofollow">https://www.wildwinds.com/coins/greece/thrace/perinthos/Schoenert_137-148mule.jpg</a></p><p><br /></p><blockquote><p><font size="4">Perinthos, Thrace. AE18. Mule or test strike. 3.0 g.</font></p><p><font size="4"><br /></font></p><p><font size="4">Crossed cornucopiae with narrow club between them.</font></p><p><font size="4">PERIN-QIWN upwards to left and right, eagle standing right </font></p><p><font size="4">on thunderbolt, head left.</font></p><p><font size="4"><br /></font></p><p><font size="4">Schönert-Geiss 137/148 mule (but with the addition of</font></p><p><font size="4">the club between the cornucopiae). Apparently unpublished.</font></p><p><font size="4">Not in Schönert-Geiss; BMC; Moushmov; Mionnet etc</font></p><p><font size="4"><br /></font></p><p><font size="4">Contributed by Scaevola of the Forum Ancient Coins, March, 2016</font></p><p><font size="4"><a href="https://www.wildwinds.com/coins/greece/thrace/perinthos/Schoenert_137-148mule.txt" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://www.wildwinds.com/coins/greece/thrace/perinthos/Schoenert_137-148mule.txt" rel="nofollow">https://www.wildwinds.com/coins/greece/thrace/perinthos/Schoenert_137-148mule.txt</a></font></p></blockquote><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p><b>The Historical Context</b>:</p><p><br /></p><p>Also, notice that it's described (based on Schoenert-Geiss) as 2nd half of the 1st century BCE.</p><p><br /></p><p>Very interesting period for Greek coinage! The Greeks were mostly under Roman control, but still issuing pseudo-autonomous coins. (But influenced by Roman types and denominations.)</p><p><br /></p><p>Many 1st cent BCE Greek coins were struck in the middle of the Roman Republic's civil wars, as it died and became the Empire. Many of those battles were fought in (and <i>over</i>) Greek territory.</p><p><br /></p><p>I believe Brutus' governorship included Thrace, given by the Senate so he & Cassius could fight Marc Antony & Octavian (still friends then).</p><p><br /></p><p>After doing away with Brutus & Cassius, Antony & Octavian (don't forget Lepidus!) divided up the provinces & eventually fought each other for the whole ball of wax. I think Thrace was part of Marc Antony's dominion, which he shared with Cleopatra.</p><p><br /></p><p>So, for me, the big question with these is always: <b>Before or after <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Actium" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Actium" rel="nofollow">Actium (31 BCE)</a></b>?</p><p><br /></p><p><i>If after</i> <i>Actium?</i> That would mean it was struck under Octavian/Augustus. (Could the symbols be representing him/his legions, celebrating his victory?)</p><p><br /></p><p><i>Before Actium?</i> Maybe Cleopatra's eagle? She was fond of eagles on thunderbolts (being the last Ptolemaic ruler; it was their symbol), and hers and Antony's mints often used that imagery. (In a different thread, I posted a specimen of mine that was probably from Cleopatra's Greece with a very similar eagle/thunderbolt: <a href="https://www.cointalk.com/posts/24672204" class="internalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://www.cointalk.com/posts/24672204">https://www.cointalk.com/posts/24672204</a>.)[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>
[QUOTE="Curtis, post: 25026308, member: 26430"]Happy to have helped! It is really cool. (One more below, so I think fourth now.) Your reply reminded me to double-check; sadly, [URL='https://www.corpus-nummorum.eu/']corpus-nummorum.eu[/URL] is still down (wish I knew why). I checked [URL='https://www.wildwinds.com/coins/greece/thrace/perinthos/t.html']the wildwinds page for Thrace, Perinthos[/URL].... They have an example too (contributed in 2016, making it possibly the first example shared online), under "Schoenert 137-148 mule". Wildwinds calls it a "mule or test strike." But it was struck with different dies from your coin. Across all 4 specimens, looks like 2 or 3 obverse and reverse dies, which makes it seem more like a regular issue -- just a very rare one. (Notice also the different legend break, with the Θ being right or left of eagle head. Not sure if the legends vary in content at all.) [B]NOT MY COIN[/B] [ATTACH=full]1601853[/ATTACH] [URL]https://www.wildwinds.com/coins/greece/thrace/perinthos/Schoenert_137-148mule.jpg[/URL] [INDENT][SIZE=4]Perinthos, Thrace. AE18. Mule or test strike. 3.0 g. Crossed cornucopiae with narrow club between them. PERIN-QIWN upwards to left and right, eagle standing right on thunderbolt, head left. Schönert-Geiss 137/148 mule (but with the addition of the club between the cornucopiae). Apparently unpublished. Not in Schönert-Geiss; BMC; Moushmov; Mionnet etc Contributed by Scaevola of the Forum Ancient Coins, March, 2016 [URL]https://www.wildwinds.com/coins/greece/thrace/perinthos/Schoenert_137-148mule.txt[/URL][/SIZE][/INDENT] [B]The Historical Context[/B]: Also, notice that it's described (based on Schoenert-Geiss) as 2nd half of the 1st century BCE. Very interesting period for Greek coinage! The Greeks were mostly under Roman control, but still issuing pseudo-autonomous coins. (But influenced by Roman types and denominations.) Many 1st cent BCE Greek coins were struck in the middle of the Roman Republic's civil wars, as it died and became the Empire. Many of those battles were fought in (and [I]over[/I]) Greek territory. I believe Brutus' governorship included Thrace, given by the Senate so he & Cassius could fight Marc Antony & Octavian (still friends then). After doing away with Brutus & Cassius, Antony & Octavian (don't forget Lepidus!) divided up the provinces & eventually fought each other for the whole ball of wax. I think Thrace was part of Marc Antony's dominion, which he shared with Cleopatra. So, for me, the big question with these is always: [B]Before or after [URL='https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Actium']Actium (31 BCE)[/URL][/B]? [I]If after[/I] [I]Actium?[/I] That would mean it was struck under Octavian/Augustus. (Could the symbols be representing him/his legions, celebrating his victory?) [I]Before Actium?[/I] Maybe Cleopatra's eagle? She was fond of eagles on thunderbolts (being the last Ptolemaic ruler; it was their symbol), and hers and Antony's mints often used that imagery. (In a different thread, I posted a specimen of mine that was probably from Cleopatra's Greece with a very similar eagle/thunderbolt: [URL]https://www.cointalk.com/posts/24672204[/URL].)[/QUOTE]
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