Strange 1976 $2 Star Note - Please Help!

Oh and I forgot to ask in my last reply, how do you know exactly what the OP is seeking? I don't think he's said a word throughout this entire thread besides his OP. Just curious.

-tbud

 

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Anything can be collected, but that doesn't mean it's widely accepted that what you choose to collect (and grim about) is considered collectible by anyone else. Of course I am telling people about collecting. The OP solicited information which was given, and the OP didn't refute any of it or barely discuss it. It's you who disapproved of my comments to spend the note and it's you who take offense at my approach because I countered you here and in another similar thread. I'm not specifically saying what thing others must collect, but rather what will be more probable to return them the value they seek (re: the OP sought value in the note he presented here).

Something that is "collectible" is defined as 'a thing worthy of collecting', deemed to have worth, a value. The kind of value the OP sought, was monetary, in more ways than one, in the thing itself being a monetary unit, one one that's worth more than face value due to its strangness and collection of features a $2 note with a star. I simply pointed out the worth and many time over the reasons why it's not worth more than face. We see nothing from you Tbud but someone who panics and becomes defensive when the things you want so desperately to have reasons to collect are challenged. No one said you can't collect these things. I've been pointing out the fallacy of thinking there is more to something than really exists, such as value above face. Even garbage is collectible, on Fantasy Island where value can be imagined and never proven. If you want to collect damaged notes, you might as well go grab hold of your collection and crunch all the notes up. Stamp on them, kick them, tear them, spit on them, and call them sentimental pieces that have a colorful past which define the core values of your damaged collection. Anybody can produce damaged notes, but not everyone can collect un-damaged notes, those whose value increases with time, demand and conditions moving toward degrees of perfection.

Another thing on this Series and of it being common now and in the future. Star notes are not as unique as you dream them to be. Especially amongst modern notes, which may now look small in comparison to the rest of a printage reported. These notes are being tucked away, and will remain more common for longer than you can imagine. Long after the circulated notes are spent and shredded there will be an abundant supply of star notes, the majority of them problem free. This is not a star note from more than a century ago when there truly were very few that reached collectors hands. These notes are being put away by the strap load! These are not 150 year old notes with stars that command big money for so little surviving known examples like those of the 19th century. What's more the note in question is damaged and will always be damaged, even in 150 more years when someone pulls out their straps and want's to know what is the value of the old Series 1976 notes in pristine ChCU grade they are hoping to sell and dump into the market. Even then in that future scenario we can still expect there to be a bloated market with scads of these notes about. The eventuality that the note you advise will be worth something isn't worth waiting for given the damage and harm to potential future value, when today, one can go back out and replace this damaged note for a problem free example, then be satisfied with something of potential value.

Yes, I am instructing people who wanted to know about collecting and value might better collect such things. I was asked about it and gave a full spectrum of things to consider, to the OP.

 

Paragraphs............Paragraphs................ Paragraphs.............. It's not worth it for me anymore, krispy! Get over your self and start realizing that not everyone collects how you collect. I suggested for him to keep it because it's $2. The world isn't going to end if he saves it and it comes with a small chance that it could one day have premiums. If the OP needs $2 so bad that he needs to worry and feel bad about keeping it, I say to spend it. But if he's along with most of America and the current price of things, $2 probably won't make huge impact on his life - yet it could make an impact some day down the road! Fine, I dream. I'm in fantasy island. Whatever blah blah blah blah. You say the same thing over and over and over again. Fine dude your better than me. Happy? Your better than anyone here that appreciated the history and hobby side of collecting circulation finds. 3 cheers for krispy! In the other thread, you flipped out because I offered you friendly thoughts about how the site you were speaking about and you snapped back at me in a rude way. I try my absolute hardest to be nice to everyone here on CT, but some people really just don't understand what they are saying and how it sounds to me. It may sound all fine and dandy when it's going thru your head, but what I hear is a bunch of negative trash. What you say about collecting circulation finds and how you put me down for the casino searching (which I was right about in the end but you decided to stop replying to that thread for some odd reason) goes in one ear of mine and out the other. Something that is collectible is something that you want to collect. Star notes are collectible. For every person that says collecting star notes is stupid, one person says otherwise and you should keep that in mind. Remember that there is someone out there hat could be reading this conversation that is not informed about collecting scratching their head wondering why we are all arguing over regular cold hard cash. People thing and see things differently, and apparently you and I are opposites. I still sure wish that the OP would be more involved in his thread and help take care of somethings... Maybe he doesn't realize: OP stands for Original Poster.

Oh and just to let you know - I did't even read your reply because I know what it says. It says the same exact things you've been 'prancing' on and on about this entire outrageous conversation. Just remember, if you look back of either threads we have been involved with, you have always been the one to start things going in a negative pace, not myself.

Happy holidays, krispy. Maybe I should send you a torn up 2006 $1 B* from a 3.2 mil run for 'the holidays'. It could show you about all apects of collecting. Remember, as I said before, I have already covered the "purchase everything CHCU" aspect so I'm covered there.

Warm regards,
tbud

 

"Paragraphs............Paragraphs................ Paragraphs.............." and what do you give us, but more of them, topped even with a declared attitude that you are too good to read what others have to say, yet expecting others read your, "Paragraphs............Paragraphs................ Paragraphs.............."

The problem you are having here is that you've been taking everything I post personally, when it has little to do with you besides your misleading sense of glee over a damaged note which you have no valued input to impart as evidenced in your hollow retorts. You and Numbers leveled a false complaint that my comments were somehow demanding or forcing people to collect a certain way. Nothing could be more untrue. I never said others must collect a certain way. You take my comments to be about you Tbud, when in fact they are and were always offered for the OP's consideration, who by the way, has refuted nothing from anyone. You have put up a bawling, kicking, whining tempertantrum ever since I posted an opposing view and go about telling me I'm wrong because you believe my comments force others to act a certain way when collecting. No. When I explained at length and defended with well reasoned answers my views, you refused to see the validity of my statements, now you refuse to read posts. By resolution, frustration and running in circles you've exhausted yourself where you had no point to begin with. Like I said before, take a break Tbud, you obviously need one, again. The reason I stopped posting in the other thread is the same as I will stop here now. I've made my points, countered your arguments, informed the OP and all those banshee lurkers out there in the Internets glued to their monitors reading this thread... I'll never convince someone of your magnanimous ranking that this is not about you, that it's not something you should be taking personally, and that it is what has been from the start, my thoughts and experiences offered to the OP, not you, Tbud. You can continue to go down crying and condescending towards me to the bitter end Tbud, but from here on out you'll have to do it on your own.

 

I'm not too good to hear what you have to say. My life just isn't so boring that I have time to sit here ane argue over a two dollar bill. The argument is getting boring. Another reason that I am choosing to disregard your outrageously long comments is because I know exactly what you have to say. It's the same thing you've been saying the entire time. Once again, I only read like the first 2 sentences of your above recreation of the New York City landfill. You should stop litering and find somewhere else to dump your trash. I have no attitude. I actually think this is funny. It's really just a big joke to me. Okay, I guess I just couldn't resist. I actually decided to look thru your comments. How can you even begin to suggest that your comments are not directly towards me when the past 2 pages of typing clearly show us 2 typing back and forth? I think your so full of crap, your breath stinks. Just don't let your nose poke a hole in the screen. For one second, lets look back at page one of this thread. I said I couldn't believe people were suggesting to spend it. You then replied to that, and this is how things kicked off. Remember? Do me a favor; Don't dance around what I say, don't give me another landslide of this and that, give me a nice short sweet straight to thep point answer, because I hate reading, especially when it's about a measily $2!

-tbud (just in case you weren't aware, smiley faces meanno attitude).

 

I've been really busy and unable to read the boards over the last week so I apologize for not responding.

First of all, I wanted to let you know I'm female. So no more "he"

Second, I collect $2 bills because I like them. Every now and then, I'll order some from the bank just to go through and see if there are weird serial numbers, really nice condition notes, and star notes. As I learn more about them, I'll expand what I collect. For example, I'm starting to save more Minneapolis notes based on what I've read here. Now I read that Cleveland is something to collect as well? I'll have to look into that.

Anyway, I had ordered some straps and a good chunk of them were 1976, which I like more than the newer ones. And then I found the star notes. I asked their value just because I was curious. I'm not searching just to turn around and sell. I go out and buy notes, so I'm certainly not going to dump something I found for face value unless of course I got a really good offer. Then I'd have to think long and hard about it.

I love collecting coins and paper and I'm willing to spend money on the things I like. But I REALLY love finding things for face value. There's something fun and exciting about it. I can't explain it.

 

Is that surprising?

 

I cannot find any evidence that this note came from an uncut sheet.
According to uspapermoney.com, there were no Series 1976 uncut sheets from the Cleveland FRB.
This note came from a second run of 640,000.
Someone please prove me wrong.


Now, back to the original question, the only way to know if this is a true error note is to know the measurements of this note are?

 

As Numbers already pointed out, there is no way to prove that a particular note came from an uncut sheet of stars from the 1976 series because the BEP did not accurately record the numbers for the sheets that were sold that way. That same information is found at http://www.uspapermoney.info/serials/f1976_b.html

Whether this note came from an uncut sheet can, therefore, neither be confirmed nor denied.

What I see is a note from a position in the center of a sheet that has at least three sides with irregularly cut margins (all but the right side and even that may be I just cannot tell from the image). The conclusion that I draw from this is that it was handcut from a sheet. Is my opinion definitive? No, it is simply that -- my opinion based on my 20+ years of collecting paper money. Take it or leave it.

Knowing the dimensions of the note is not going to resolve the question either since there is still the possibility that it came from an uncut sheet.

Unless someone finds better records at the BEP of the sold sheets there will be no way to definitively get an answer to that question.

 

I am so sorry for addressing you as a male. I suppose I should be a little more thoughtful when it comes to things like that.

-tbud

 

@ VACookey:

Thanks for chiming in and for clarifying your gender for those who were confused. They have learned an important lesson here, that, unless they know better, it's safer to refer to someone they don't know online by screen name or by the use of, "the OP" as I have been doing in each and every one of my posts in this thread when making that reference.

Thank you also for providing a note that was excellent fodder for discussion. It allowed me, at least, ample opportunity to address some of the misperceptions regarding value and collecting where damage will always work against a note, as well as to suggest for any collector, to totally rule out whether it is an error or not and to protect the collecting community from fake errors, by considering a review of questionable notes by an industry leader in currency grading. If you ever want any further help there, please feel free to ask about it and we can have a new discussion.

Let me also add, that you do not have to explain the fun and excitement of collecting, or the thrill of finding things for face value! We all understand the value of that! :thumb:

Again, thanks for presenting a thread on CT with an interesting note. If the other notes you found are this 'strange' it would be nice to see images of all of them. I hope to see your future finds as well if they are this juicy.

Good luck collecting and building your own, personalized collection that fits your likes and interests. :smile

I'm always glad to help when I have the opportunity to do so.

Kind regards, krispy :smile

 

krispy:
We all make mistakes from time to time. Any chance you get, you jabb me. Leave me alone and quit making me look like a dirtbag every chanceyou get.

I have no warm regards left for someone like you,:smile

-tbud

 

:rollling:

 

Yup, just like a little kid who's been told that he/she was doing wrong. Roll your eyes all you want but it doesn't change the fact that you've been a grinch to me since the day I joined this site.

 

Thanks I was unaware that they printed any special sheets for sale as uncuts. Are far as I know ALL of the 1976 $2 uncut sheets came from stocks of unused star notes

 

You indicated that you communicate in smiley icons. I attempted to communicate with you since you arrogantly commented earlier that you are not reading my posts. I guess the message, sort of, got through to you. Like I said before, when you weren't reading my posts:

 

The serial number is too low to be from an uncut sheet.

 

That's all that needs to be said to make things personal. You are jabbing me for a mistake while making yourself look better. It may be all fine and reasonable in your twisted NYC head, but to me thats a personal jabb that I would take and deal with personally. You make yourself sound all nice and innocent while everyone is sitting here thinking I'm a jerk when really they can read this entire conversation and see the last thread we were talking on and find otherwise.

I'm only taking it personal because that's how you've decided to make it.

-tbud

 

For what it's worth, I don't think you're a jerk. It's not that big of a deal that anyone assumed I'm a male. I don't care. I'm not offended. It's not the end of the world. I'm just a name on a message board. As long as I can talk to people here, I really don't care what gender they think I am.