Storage question

Discussion in 'World Coins' started by Hiddendragon, Mar 30, 2017.

  1. TheFinn

    TheFinn Well-Known Member

    I agree with it all but about staples giving off gases as they corrode. Actually, they are pulling oxygen out of the air, which is what causes rust. A B.S. in Chemistry sometimes comes in handy.
     
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  3. Hypr277

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    I just inherited some coins...I've probably ruined them and I'm trying to not, I put them in flips, and those Whitman folders. I've bought some stuff, I have no idea if I am buying stuff that is good quality or not, from what I've researched it is. But I have all kinds of coins. Canadian, Australian, Jamaican, US coins , morgans, barbers, peace , wheats, Indians etc , I have too many kennedys , like I have hundreds but looks like they aren't worth anything ...they are stored poorly too! In bags upon bags full. I'm a newbie for sure. I wish I could clean them ...dirty doesn't appease me! What do you collect?
     
  4. Kentucky

    Kentucky Supporter! Supporter

    First of all, don't panic...
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    1) Coins are pretty tough and the only ones you have to worry so much about are proof and really nice uncirculated. 2) Not to be discouraging, but there aren't that many coins that are worth big bucks, even if they are "old" and look "really shiny".

    First thing is to separate...foreign and US...foreign by country, US by denomination. Storage in closed containers is good for most till you can check to see if you hit a jackpot. Easiest places to check are here (pictures please) and e-bay (sold listings best - some can ask moon money prices).

    Good luck with them and have fun.
     
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  5. Hypr277

    Hypr277 Member

    Is this fine or extremely fine?
     

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  6. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator

    I may well have phrased my comment incorrectly, nonetheless I have examined way too many coins in stapled 2x2s and original Proof sets that had unsightly or even downright ugly toning right next to the staples - and nowhere else - to even think that the staples were not the cause of that toning - whether it be directly or indirectly.

    Bottom line - metal staples are a problem and bad for coins.
     
  7. Hypr277

    Hypr277 Member

    I need airtites? Or adhesive flips? Or airtites
     
  8. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator

    Air-Tites are merely 1 brand of a hard plastic holder, but they work quite well at protecting your coins and they are about the least expensive of all the hard plastic holders. That said, the other brands of hard plastic holders work equally as well, but they cost more, sometimes 5 to 6 times as much as Air-Tites do.

    Bottom line, any of the hard plastic coin holders will protect your coins. Cost and holder type preference are usually the deciding factors.
     
  9. TheFinn

    TheFinn Well-Known Member

    When the steel reacts with the oxygen, the charged air would become reactive with the things around them. There needs to be some water present from humidity for this to go. That is why coins stored in the southwest fare better, just like cars. Chemical reactions don't happen in a vacuum.
     
  10. TheFinn

    TheFinn Well-Known Member

    Looks VF or Very Fine to me. Right between F and EF or XF.
     
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  11. -jeffB

    -jeffB Greshams LEO Supporter

    I was going to reject this, but I think I can see a mechanism for it.

    If there's acid in the paper, it's going to attack the staples, producing metal salts -- not just iron oxide, but iron sulfate, or chloride, or something else, depending on what acid is in the paper.

    Those salts are often hygroscopic, which means they attract and concentrate moisture from the air. More moisture, plus remaining acid from the paper, produces more damaged coins. In fact, depending on what acid is there, you could get sulfurous gasses coming off. (Check my work, chemists, but what about iron reducing sulfate to sulfite, which easily disassociates in an acid environment to give off SO2?)

    I feel more science projects coming on...!
     
  12. Kentucky

    Kentucky Supporter! Supporter

    Yes they do, perhaps not reaction with oxygen though.
     
  13. TheFinn

    TheFinn Well-Known Member

    If it's a vacuum, then there would only be solids present and I can't think of two solids that would react with each other in a vacuum. Enlighten me.
     
  14. -jeffB

    -jeffB Greshams LEO Supporter

    Well, if you want to go down the "technical" route, it's probably not a complete vacuum anyhow. ;)

    Solids that react: one of the most memorable reactions from my old Gilbert chemistry set was heating iron filings and sulfur together. Okay, the sulfur melted -- but then they started reacting to form ferrous sulfide, and generating enough heat to glow red. (And the resulting gunk never came all the way out of the test tube.)

    Most pyrotechnic mixes are solid-phase, although of course they don't stay that way for long, at least not entirely. Some are used for rocketry.

    And coming back down to Earth, I'm not sure pure solid-phase silver and sulfur would react -- but I'd be surprised if they didn't.

    Edit: oh, and look up ionic liquids. They have super-low vapor pressures, so they can be stable in vacuum, and they support all kinds of interesting chemistry.
     
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