Storage question

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  1. Hiddendragon

    Hiddendragon World coin collector

    I've been buying a lot of silver commemorative type coins, and more often than not they come in airtights. I prefer to have my coins in 2x2s because that way I can keep them in an album together and look at them as a collection. If they're in airtights in a fancy box, it sits in a drawer and I never see them. My question is if they will tone differently in one or the other, and if there will be any kind of damage if I use a 2x2. Obviously I don't mean if I get sloppy and scratch it or something, but assuming it just sits in there.
     
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  3. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator

    Yes to the 1st question, and probably yes to the second.

    There are several very common issues with cardboard 2x2s. 1 - the cardboard contains sulphur which can cause unwanted and unsightly toning to occur. 2 - the thin mylar offers very little in the way of protection so the coin can become scratched or acquire contact marks right through the mylar. 3 - the 2x2s almost always contain small amounts of cardboard dust and/or small particles of cardboard. This dust and the small particles are capable of scratching the surface of the coin during the course of normal movement of the box, album, or folder that holds the 2x2s. And even if scratches are avoided, which is unusual, once the cardboard dust or small particles get onto the coin over time the cardboard decays. And as it decays it causes black or dark spots to appear on the surface of the coin. 4 - the staples. Even if staple scratches are avoided the staples themselves are made of metal and this metal corrodes over time. And as it corrodes it releases additional gasses that usually cause discoloration to the coin.

    Bottom line, cardboard 2x2s, though popular, are a very poor choice for coin storage. The Air-Tite like holders the coins come in are a far better choice for storage as they have none of these inherent problems. And they offer superior protection to the coins.

    And yes, they do make archival quality albums that hold Air-Tites.
     
  4. panzerman

    panzerman Well-Known Member

    I store mine in mylar 2X2 flips/ Lighthouse album to house them. Slabbed coins I store in PGGS/ NGC boxes. I also keep my auction tabs. John john photos 1 030 (Medium).jpg john photos 1 032 (Medium).jpg john photos 1 007 (Large).jpg john photos 1 008 (Large).jpg john photos 1 009 (Large).jpg
     
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  5. mlov43

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    Yes! Mylar flips are indeed an option for those who don't want to keep coins in airtites or 2X2s. Mylar flips, and the mylar pages you show here are really the only other alternative. The only possible downsides I see to them are:

    1) The coins are not 'stabilized', and slide around. Bad for surfaces?
    2) These flips and pages do not have as much protection from environmental air as airtites.
     
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  6. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator

    Both of those are bad, but there is another as well. The mylar flips, or any of the non PVC flips, are made of much harder plastic and they have sharp edges. So, unbeknownst to the owner, when they put coins into the flips or take them out the flips, the flips themselves can and will scratch the coin.

    This is a very well known and all too common occurrence. It is for this reason that professional dealers only use the soft PVC flips when they sell and or ship coins to buyers. They won't use mylar flips at all. Short term, stress short term, use of the soft flips will not cause harm to coins - they know this and that is why they use them.

    Also, the albums and/or ring binders like those pictured above, they can be just as dangerous, and sometimes even more so, to your coins. This is because they are very rarely made of archival quality materials. And in most cases they themselves, the albums and binders, contain PVC or other harmful materials.

    What I am trying to get across is that it is not just the flips that you use that you have to worry about. You have to worry about anything and everything that is stored in any proximity to your coins.
     
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  7. Hiddendragon

    Hiddendragon World coin collector

    Thanks for the input. I don't really know what to do because I don't want to damage the coins but I also don't like the expensive, bulky options.
     
  8. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator

    Well, as they say, life is full of trade-offs. And yeah, believe me, I really do understand your point of view. But ask yourself this question. Which would you rather have: a storage method that you don't really like, or potentially a bunch of ugly and/or damaged coins in the end ?

    And before you answer that question, for your own benefit, (and this goes for everybody who ever reads this), please consider this. You know all of those ugly, or scratched, or spotted coins that you've seen over the years ? There's been an awful lot of them hasn't there ?

    Well how do you think they got that way ?

    They got that way because of people who were faced with this very same decision - do I store my coins this way, or that way ? And then made the wrong choice for the wrong reasons.
     
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  9. Hiddendragon

    Hiddendragon World coin collector

    You make a good point. Thanks.
     
  10. hic

    hic Member

    hi - went to your web site - little disappointed that i couldn't click on the pictures and see the coins up close - however - GREAT site and excellent articles - thanks for sharing!
     
  11. hic

    hic Member

    ummm...so you're saying that i should IMMEDIATELY, remove all the coins i have in the everyday loose-leaf binders i cheaply bought at staples...? ok - so here's a question...it seems tat purchase of the best quality storage stuff can cost more then the coin itself is worth - what do you feel is the dollar value line; that is, amount under which is doesn't really matter HOW the coins are stored and/or amount OVER which they really SHOULD be stored? thanks!
     
  12. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator

    Well, personally I always figured that if a coin was worthy of being in my collection at all then it was worthy of me storing it correctly. And how did I define storing it correctly ? At the least, it was placing each coin in its own Air-Tite brand coin holder. Which when I was still collecting you could buy just about any size there was for 50 cents apiece, or less. And then I would place those Air-Tites in an Intercept Shield slab box and store them in a safe with nothing but inert materials inside, and silica gel packs to control humidity.

    All told it might have cost me 75 cents a coin to store them correctly. Now is that too much ? I guess that depends on how you look at it. That was a 1 time cost, so the coins were protected as best I could protect them for life - for 75 cents. As for the coins themselves, the cheapest ones I owned cost me just over a $1 each. But others were thousands.

    Short and sweet I did everything I could to remove chance, risk, from the equation as much as possible. I wanted my coins to stay just they way there were when I bought them. After all I bought them because I liked as they were when I bought them. And if they changed over time, possibly drastically, I knew I might not like them anymore. And what would be the point of owning coins you don't like and no longer want in your collection ? Let alone the fact that unwanted change could also lower the value, possibly a lot.

    And when you consider that - how much is too much ?

    Of course another way of looking at it this. If when you bought a specific coin, if it had cost you 75 cents more than what you paid - would you have still bought it ? If you answer yes to that question then you have also answered if it is worth it or not.
     
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  13. Steve66

    Steve66 Coin People

    I agree with GDJMSP. I don't go to quite the extent as he described, but I do keep all of my coins in a controlled environment. I store my more favorable pieces in Air-Tites, and if you buy them in bulk you can get them relatively cheap. Of course my more common, circulated pieces, I do keep in flips, or 2X2's.

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  14. hic

    hic Member

    your reply is SOOO informative - i had never considered any of the things you mentioned - and now, on hind sight - it explains a lot of what's going on with my coins - thank you so much for sharing you, with US!
     
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  15. sonlarson

    sonlarson World Silver Collector

    Before I had a SDB, and my collection was much smaller,I used to store them this way with an album and pages by Eagle. The binder holds 3 pages which hold 20 coins each for Air-Tites. Air-Tites are cheap, coins are not.

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  16. hic

    hic Member

    another great idea i wish i had thought of! thanks for sharing too! - incidentally - what do you do with any of the original packaging that may have accompanied the coins? do you save it, if so, in a particular order in case you need it again? thanks!
     
  17. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator

    A workable storage method. But it is important that folks know that the album itself, as well as the plastic pages with the pockets for the coins, both need to be of archival quality.

    I mention that because a great many of those pages that are designed to be used in a 3 ring binder are not archival quality. Many of them contain PVC which is about the worst thing you can have around your coins.
     
  18. hic

    hic Member

    do they make archival quality pages in HUMAN form? - the older i get, the more archival-ness i need....)hahaha)
     
  19. Clawcoins

    Clawcoins Damaging Coins Daily

    I pull all my coins that are in airtites in fancy boxes out of the boxes.
    Then I store the coins in airtights in their own smaller container that I can then go through and look at the coins.

    I keep all the empty fancy boxes in a large ziploc bags to prevent anything from happening to them.
     
  20. sonlarson

    sonlarson World Silver Collector

    I have a storage chest dedicated for OEM packaging. That way if/when I decide to sell, I can restore. These pages are hard plastic not the softer plastic. Eagle also makes pages for slabs, mint sets, and other type holders.
     
  21. Maxfli

    Maxfli Well-Known Member

    Lighthouse coin capsule pages are a good way to store Air-Tites in albums:

    Coin capsule albums
     
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