Stolen coin.

Discussion in 'Coin Chat' started by Vertigo, Mar 15, 2022.

  1. Hommer

    Hommer Curator of Semi Precious Coinage

    There are many laws that are designed to deter not only theft but related activities. When does the statute of limitations run out on possession of stolen property? Recieving stolen property? Interstate transport or commerce of stolen property?
     
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  3. Burton Strauss III

    Burton Strauss III Brother can you spare a trime? Supporter

    State law for most of your questions, Federal for interstate.

    Some jurisdictions suspend the clock if you leave the state.

    Some have enhancement... so theft by a public servant is 10 years in Texas, vs. the usual 5.
     
  4. delila1

    delila1 Undermedicated psychiatric patient

    Well I appreciate your research that is not the home health company that I’m talking about my point is there are no pending complaints of fraud because they turn the guy away. I was the medical director at the time so believe me I know when I tell you that nobody did any follow up nobody investigated it. When I talk to other agents multiple at the same office they said the same thing they said “I totally can see that”

    Honestly I’m not gonna send anybody anything or talk to anybody because I have no dog in the fight nothing positive is going to happen to me if I go and get involved so I’m happy just standing by it’s not like it’s my job to force the FBI to do something when they don’t it’s not my job I don’t care not my circus not my monkeys. But maybe everybody told me wrong maybe the people who showed me the recipe iPad just were actually lying I don’t know but this is what I have seen in my experience in Vegas.

    Since you’re curious it’s A&E
    The name of the home health company
     
  5. Hookman

    Hookman Well-Known Member

    Like I said, "Justice" for the Rich and Famous is totally different than it is for the Poor and Unknown.
     
  6. charley

    charley Well-Known Member

    I appreciate the reply. A&E has undergone 7 on-site CMS Audits since 2010,and 12 CMMS QRP Reporting Requirements for APU thru 2019. If you were the Medical Director, you are aware of EHR/EMR Systems Requirements and Coding/Reporting via the Intermediary (McKesson Et Al) to CMMS and the Triggers built into the EHR Programs- the one designed by Athena comes to mind-that, if it doesn't smell right, the LCD makes a sniff check. It is how 70% of these clowns are caught. 88% of Medicare Fraud cases are adjudicated with a conviction. I also rest assured you are very aware of the excellent anonymous reporting program for Medicare Fraud...I hope so, since it is required to be posted in every healthcare facility and every employee to be made aware of the program (There is a hefty Fine for not doing so). The question is, why did you not avail yourself of this outstanding program?

    I know of no such silliness as a Task Force not responding to a complaint unless it is over 1 Million Dollars. In 2019, $5.9 Billion in both Civil and Criminal Medicare Fraud was recovered, with an average Task Force AOO recovery per incident rate of $213,000.00. I know of no Tsk Force that does not include FBI/DOJ/OIG/Local AG representation. By Statute, CMMS Fraud complaints are prioritized by DOJ using a 60 CD response mechanism.

    As a Medical Director, you are certainly aware of the generous Reward program CMMS has for Anonymous Fraud Tips.

    We all have a dog in the fight. It is our tax dollars. That is a worthwhile fight for all of us.

    Whether or not someone was trying to impress you for some ulterior motive (including recruiting you to be a potential part of a Fraud scheme) I don't know. I agree, there are valid irregularities that deserve scrutiny of the FBI and vigilance. However, CMMS Medicare Fraud Task Force response is not one of them. It is one of the most successful taxpayer money recovery programs we have, year after year.
     
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  7. delila1

    delila1 Undermedicated psychiatric patient

    Wow again lots of research and again not applicable I learned about the fraud when the owner who purchased it told me he went to the FBI I have no mandatory reporting it’s been already reported certainly I have none if it was reported and the FBI turned it away. And yes I’m also aware of the qui tam lawsuits. Absolutely not worth my time or money. I’m gonna ask that you stop trying to impress me with your ability to research healthcare and move back on to coins. The only reason I posted what I did was to discuss the law enforcement relationship of coins in that the police have very little interest in property crimes. I’m honestly going to ask you to stop trying to educate me on things that I’m more than well aware of especially when you keep missing the target thank you for your help And to be honest I don’t need a response to this unless it has some sort of relationship to coins and the law
    If I wanna talk about healthcare and law I’ll go to healthcare law talk not coin talk
    Let’s bring this discussion back to Coins
     
  8. baseball21

    baseball21 Well-Known Member

    Honestly you just gotta ignore or not respond if you want it to stop.
     
  9. delila1

    delila1 Undermedicated psychiatric patient

    I hear you I figured I’d just give it a sign off
     
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  10. Jim Dale

    Jim Dale Well-Known Member

    WOW! I have a coin story. I was 13 years old (I'm 74 now, so I assume the Statute of Limitations is over). My mother had an old silver dollar. I thought my mother would not miss it, so I got it and went to a local store and spent all on junk. I thought I was free and clear, but I got called by my mother to come to the living room. I got a big surprise when I got into the living room with the store manager there. (He went to school with my mother.) I found out that he had returned the coin to my mother. Instead of my mother paying him for the coin, she kept the coin and I was told that I would work in his store for 2 hours after school for a week. That was in 1960. I am thankful to the man for returning the coin and letting me pay off what I had got from his store. I love my mother for teaching me integrity. After working off my debt, he hired me to work at the store the next summer. It's kind of funny (maybe not), but I got a degree in accounting and became a CPA working at a University as an auditor.
     
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  11. charley

    charley Well-Known Member

    I understand. You prefer that you have the latitude to discuss the shortcomings of law enforcement, specifically the FBI, and discuss Medicare fraud and your personal experience and distrust of all law enforcement, based on a personal anecdote, in a Thread about stolen coins, regardless of the facts of the historical record that question the claims made, because nobody else has the latitude to do so or to opine that your interpretation of events may be harsh and unreasonable.

    You don't have to ask, it is a simple matter of doing what you prefer another member do....stay on topic. The topic is not claiming egregious lack of response by the FBI to a complaint about Medicare Fraud, shared with you by persons unknown.

    I am not interested in the attempt to silence me stating facts. It is not attempting to impress you. If you are more than well aware of.....Medicare? Task Force Response to CMMS Fraud? FBI AOO Responsibility? EHR/EMR/Coding/Intermediary Reporting/ Fraud Recovery successes?....then why did you not state same?

    I agree with your suggestion...if I want to talk about CMMS and Medicare Fraud and FBI lack of integrity in investigating Healthcare complaints that are caused by theft of our taxpayer money and the successful recovery record, I would stay in the office 24 hours a day and throe all my coins away.

    Free speech. A wonderful concept. Wow.
     
  12. delila1

    delila1 Undermedicated psychiatric patient

    I hope that made you feel better
     
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  13. Hookman

    Hookman Well-Known Member

    Mothers (and Fathers) know Best !
     
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