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<p>[QUOTE="Chris B, post: 4341834, member: 87179"]Davissons Ltd had an auction finish on April 1st. They always have a few items that I am interested in and this auction was no different. I only picked up one piece on the day of the auction. I already posted it on the "newest acquisition" thread but here it is again.</p><p><br /></p><p>A nice Teutonic Thaler of 1614. It arrived this past week and I must say it looks even nicer in hand. It will be one of the centerpieces of my German States collection. </p><p><br /></p><p>[ATTACH=full]1099873[/ATTACH] </p><p><br /></p><p>Teutonic Order. Maximilian of Austria. 1588-1618. AR double thaler. 56.75 gm. 46 mm. Hall mint. 1614. Master of the Order standing, holding the hilt of a grounded sword in his right hand, a lion holding a shield to left / Maximilian on a horse moving right, a circle of shields of arms around him. Dav. 5854. KM 30. Near Extremely Fine; light wear on highest points, lightly toned, flan flaw at 11' obverse; pleasing surfaces and overall a fresh and pleasing coin.</p><p><br /></p><p style="text-align: center"><font size="3">Obverse: Grand Master of the Order standing with sword, date in exergue</font></p> <p style="text-align: center"><font size="3">Reverse: Maximilian mounted on horse surrounded by circle of shields of arms</font></p> <p style="text-align: center"><font size="3"><br /></font></p> <p style="text-align: center"><font size="3">Ruler: Maximilian</font></p> <p style="text-align: center"><font size="3">Note: Dav. #A5854</font></p> <p style="text-align: center"><font size="3"><br /></font></p> <p style="text-align: center"><font size="3">Composition: Silver</font></p> <p style="text-align: center"><font size="3">Weight: 56.75g</font></p> <p style="text-align: center"><font size="3">Diameter: 46mm</font></p><p><br /></p><p>From Wikipedia: Today, Maximilian is perhaps best remembered for his baroque archducal hat, exhibited in the treasury of the monastery of Klosterneuburg and was used for ceremonial purposes as late as 1835.</p><p><br /></p><p>Well, I guess it's good to be known for something. </p><p><br /></p><p>As I usually do, I perused the items in the aftersale. I kept coming back to this coin, you know, it kind of spoke to me. Somehow I had overlooked it before and during the sale. </p><p><br /></p><p>[ATTACH=full]1099872[/ATTACH] </p><p><br /></p><p style="text-align: center"><font size="3">Obverse: In front of the crowned column, a ten-tailed deer striding to the left on a grass floor covered with two saplings and a flower </font></p> <p style="text-align: center"><font size="3">Obverse Legend: IOHAN: MART: COM: IN • STOLBERG • RON: R • WERN: E • HONS</font></p> <p style="text-align: center"><font size="3">Reverse: triple-helmeted Spanish shield, the divided year number on top, and the initials of the mint master(IK) on the sides </font></p> <p style="text-align: center"><font size="3">Reverse Legend: DOM: IN • EPS: MVN: BREVB: LOR: ET. CLETE.</font></p> <p style="text-align: center"><font size="3"><br /></font></p> <p style="text-align: center"><font size="3">Ruler: Johann Martin I</font></p> <p style="text-align: center"><font size="3">Note: Dav# 7786.</font></p> <p style="text-align: center"><font size="3"><br /></font></p> <p style="text-align: center"><font size="3">Composition: Silver</font></p> <p style="text-align: center"><font size="3">Diameter: 44 mm</font></p> <p style="text-align: center"><font size="3">Weight: 28.64g</font></p><p><br /></p><p>I have always liked these coins. The deer and column design are just attractive to me. But, I had never acquired a Thaler from here. This design was minted from 1645 to 1663. Across those years, between PCGS and NGC they have graded a total of 3 pieces. 1 each from 1649, 1650, and 1654. This isn't really surprising. Europe hasn't really gotten behind 3rd party grading yet. </p><p><br /></p><p>A search on acsearch shows a total of 30 pieces being sold at auction over the last 12 years. There was only 1 from 1646 that sold at a Kunker auction in 2012 for almost $5000. In my opinion, that piece was slightly better but it's close. That piece brought the highest price of any Davenport#7786 on acsearch. The other pieces cover a wide range of prices. As low as $300 for a well-worn piece.</p><p><br /></p><p>In addition, there are 2 currently listed on ma-shops (1653,1655) but they are far inferior pieces. </p><p><br /></p><p>So, obviously, I pulled the trigger and made the purchase. I feel like I got it for a bargain price when compared to similar sales. I'm not one to post what I pay for stuff but if you really want to know, send me a private message . </p><p><br /></p><p>Up to this point I had only ever acquired 1 Stolberg piece, this little 1/48 Thaler from 1719. </p><p>[ATTACH=full]1099878[/ATTACH] </p><p><br /></p><p style="text-align: center"><font size="3">Obverse: Stag left in front of column, end of inscription 'WERCK' in exergue</font></p> <p style="text-align: center"><font size="3">Obverse Legend: GOTT SEEGNE U. ERHALTE UNSERE BERG.</font></p> <p style="text-align: center"><font size="3">Reverse: 4-line inscription, mintmaster's initials divide date below</font></p> <p style="text-align: center"><font size="3">Reverse Inscription: 48 / EINEN / THALER / FEIN SILB.</font></p> <p style="text-align: center"><font size="3"><br /></font></p> <p style="text-align: center"><font size="3">Ruler: Christof Friedrich and Jost Christian</font></p> <p style="text-align: center"><font size="3"><br /></font></p> <p style="text-align: center"><font size="3">Composition: Silver</font></p> <p style="text-align: center"><font size="3"><br /></font></p><p><font size="4">I am at the point in my collecting journey where quality is more important than quantity. I feel like I was a hoarder to a certain extent. A few years ago I promised myself that I would get rid of all the stuff that didn't thrill me anymore. Of course, there is still way too much stuff in the safe (and other places), but I am pretty happy with the state of my collection at this point. </font></p><p><font size="4"><br /></font></p><p><font size="4">Feel free to post anything relevant or just pieces that came from aftersales.</font></p><p><font size="4"></font>[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>
[QUOTE="Chris B, post: 4341834, member: 87179"]Davissons Ltd had an auction finish on April 1st. They always have a few items that I am interested in and this auction was no different. I only picked up one piece on the day of the auction. I already posted it on the "newest acquisition" thread but here it is again. A nice Teutonic Thaler of 1614. It arrived this past week and I must say it looks even nicer in hand. It will be one of the centerpieces of my German States collection. [ATTACH=full]1099873[/ATTACH] Teutonic Order. Maximilian of Austria. 1588-1618. AR double thaler. 56.75 gm. 46 mm. Hall mint. 1614. Master of the Order standing, holding the hilt of a grounded sword in his right hand, a lion holding a shield to left / Maximilian on a horse moving right, a circle of shields of arms around him. Dav. 5854. KM 30. Near Extremely Fine; light wear on highest points, lightly toned, flan flaw at 11' obverse; pleasing surfaces and overall a fresh and pleasing coin. [CENTER][SIZE=3]Obverse: Grand Master of the Order standing with sword, date in exergue Reverse: Maximilian mounted on horse surrounded by circle of shields of arms Ruler: Maximilian Note: Dav. #A5854 Composition: Silver Weight: 56.75g Diameter: 46mm[/SIZE][/CENTER] From Wikipedia: Today, Maximilian is perhaps best remembered for his baroque archducal hat, exhibited in the treasury of the monastery of Klosterneuburg and was used for ceremonial purposes as late as 1835. Well, I guess it's good to be known for something. As I usually do, I perused the items in the aftersale. I kept coming back to this coin, you know, it kind of spoke to me. Somehow I had overlooked it before and during the sale. [ATTACH=full]1099872[/ATTACH] [CENTER][SIZE=3]Obverse: In front of the crowned column, a ten-tailed deer striding to the left on a grass floor covered with two saplings and a flower Obverse Legend: IOHAN: MART: COM: IN • STOLBERG • RON: R • WERN: E • HONS Reverse: triple-helmeted Spanish shield, the divided year number on top, and the initials of the mint master(IK) on the sides Reverse Legend: DOM: IN • EPS: MVN: BREVB: LOR: ET. CLETE. Ruler: Johann Martin I Note: Dav# 7786. Composition: Silver Diameter: 44 mm Weight: 28.64g[/SIZE][/CENTER] I have always liked these coins. The deer and column design are just attractive to me. But, I had never acquired a Thaler from here. This design was minted from 1645 to 1663. Across those years, between PCGS and NGC they have graded a total of 3 pieces. 1 each from 1649, 1650, and 1654. This isn't really surprising. Europe hasn't really gotten behind 3rd party grading yet. A search on acsearch shows a total of 30 pieces being sold at auction over the last 12 years. There was only 1 from 1646 that sold at a Kunker auction in 2012 for almost $5000. In my opinion, that piece was slightly better but it's close. That piece brought the highest price of any Davenport#7786 on acsearch. The other pieces cover a wide range of prices. As low as $300 for a well-worn piece. In addition, there are 2 currently listed on ma-shops (1653,1655) but they are far inferior pieces. So, obviously, I pulled the trigger and made the purchase. I feel like I got it for a bargain price when compared to similar sales. I'm not one to post what I pay for stuff but if you really want to know, send me a private message . Up to this point I had only ever acquired 1 Stolberg piece, this little 1/48 Thaler from 1719. [ATTACH=full]1099878[/ATTACH] [CENTER][SIZE=3]Obverse: Stag left in front of column, end of inscription 'WERCK' in exergue Obverse Legend: GOTT SEEGNE U. ERHALTE UNSERE BERG. Reverse: 4-line inscription, mintmaster's initials divide date below Reverse Inscription: 48 / EINEN / THALER / FEIN SILB. Ruler: Christof Friedrich and Jost Christian Composition: Silver [/SIZE][/CENTER] [SIZE=4]I am at the point in my collecting journey where quality is more important than quantity. I feel like I was a hoarder to a certain extent. A few years ago I promised myself that I would get rid of all the stuff that didn't thrill me anymore. Of course, there is still way too much stuff in the safe (and other places), but I am pretty happy with the state of my collection at this point. Feel free to post anything relevant or just pieces that came from aftersales. [/SIZE][/QUOTE]
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