Still trying to learn to accurately identify doubled die coins. Please give me some feedback about this 2020 bat quarter.
What is a "Doubled Die?" A doubled die coin has nothing to do with the multiple striking of a coin as many believe. A doubled die coin is the result of using a working die(s) which has/have been improperly made. The manner in which a coin is produced is the result of using a specially prepared set of dies which have been mechanically created to provide the desired images we see on a given coin. These images are engraved on a "special metal blank" which, when completed, will be used to create multiple "working dies" (obverse and reverse) which will be the ones used to strike a round, flat piece of metal with the images contained on the end of these dies. The process of creating the working dies uses these "master engraved dies" to force their image, termed "a squeeze", onto/into another piece of metal. Prior to the 2000's or so (varies per coin value), the "squeeze" process involved pressing the image twice or more when creating the "working die" and this point is where "Doubled Die(s)" is/are created if the "second squeeze" is slightly out of alignment relative to the "first squeeze". The result is a misaligned image on the working die(s) which will be transferred to the coin blank in the coin production process. Step 1: Engrave "Master." Step 2: "Squeeze" "Master" image onto working die(s). Step 3: Second "Squeeze" of working die(s). * Second squeeze, out of alignment, creates "Doubled Working Die(s)." Step 4: "Doubled Working Die(s) in coin production, create "Doubled Die(s) coins. Is a "Doubled Die" coin an "error" or the "result of an error?" IMO, the doubled die coin is the result of an improperly produced working die which creates a coin variation of the required result. What are "Errors?" What ever today's definition happens to be.
I believe that's machine doubling. Kinda like the "chatter" of the die. A true double die wouldn't have a shelved appearance because the die would have made two distinct strikes, and both were on the same level. Anyway, someone else will probably give you a better and correct explanation shortly.
What is a "Doubled Die?" A doubled die coin has nothing to do with the multiple striking of a coin as many believe. A doubled die coin is the result of using a working die(s) which has/have been improperly made. The manner in which a coin is produced is the result of using a specially prepared set of dies which have been mechanically created to provide the desired images we see on a given coin. These images are engraved on a "special metal blank" which, when completed, will be used to create multiple "working dies" (obverse and reverse) which will be the ones used to strike a round, flat piece of metal with the images contained on the end of these dies. The process of creating the working dies uses these "master engraved dies" to force their image, termed "a squeeze", onto/into another piece of metal. Prior to the 2000's or so (varies per coin value), the "squeeze" process involved pressing the image twice or more when creating the "working die" and this point is where "Doubled Die(s)" is/are created if the "second squeeze" is slightly out of alignment relative to the "first squeeze". The result is a misaligned image on the working die(s) which will be transferred to the coin blank in the coin production process. Step 1: Engrave "Master." Step 2: "Squeeze" "Master" image onto working die(s). Step 3: Second "Squeeze" of working die(s). * Second squeeze, out of alignment, creates "Doubled Working Die(s)." Step 4: "Doubled Working Die(s) in coin production, create "Doubled Die(s) coins. Is a "Doubled Die" coin an "error" or the "result of an error?" IMO, the doubled die coin is the result of an improperly produced working die which creates a coin variation of the required result. What are "Errors?" What ever today's definition happens to be.
Well done Robert, nicely explained. For me the easiest way to differentiate between error and variety is; VARIETY = DURING HUBBING OF THE DIES ERROR = DURING THE COINING PROCESS FROM BLANK TO STRUCK COIN
Don’t sweat it. I’ve been screwing around with this for a couple of years and still can’t get a handle on it. Lol. Good luck.
If you truly want to actually learn the difference between a doubled die and machine doubling, I suggest people stop looking through thousands of coins and start picking up books and resources to learn the difference
I just received my order of Stan McDonald's U.S. Error Coin Guide 2020. It has almost all the information on various error coins, I am very pleased with the book. Good luck
Robert, thanks for your first reply. That was an excellent explanation and I really appreciate it. I think that may stop me from heckling anyone about this in the future!
I was interested in Cronin's book but not willing to pay $58.00+ shipping for it. I paid $8.97+ 3.00 shipping, that's a far cry from Cronin's book. I'm extremely satisfied with McDonald's book and wish you the same with yours.
goodmorning 1stSgt22, i believe the guys above my post have answered your questions and since I'm still considered a new comer to this wonderful hobby I'm gonna save this (your) thread to my computer for reference. im gonna check out that book to. good luck to you sir...
The book is not $58 shipping for U.S. orders...just so you all know. Orders outside the U.S. involve higher fees as they can't be sent with a cheap "media mail" price. Several books were shipped to Canada, and also Japan, Malaysia, Hong Kong, Greece, Dubai, Italy, Lebanon, and Madagascar.