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<p>[QUOTE="cmbdii, post: 3923, member: 655"]Fiat money is money issued by fiat, unbacked by precious metal. It's not authorized in our Constitution and is a result of an unlawful act of Congress. There's a difference between intrinsic value and subjective value, so your statement that fiat money is a form of money with no intrinsic value to to most people isn't exactly right. A coin has intrinsic value to the extent that the material used to make it is valuable.</p><p><br /></p><p> The only reason that people regard fiat money as money is that they are required to do so by legal tender laws, which in this country are unlawful. Your fantasy of seashells picked up out of the sand and used as money is just that, a fantasy. Items of relative rarity have historically been used as money, not common items which anyone can amass by bending over and scooping them up off of the ground. </p><p><br /></p><p> Our money has been made of precious metal and valuable industrial metals(like copper and nickel) assigned a value by a standard which made pennies redeemable for silver or gold for most of our history as a country. Our money today is fiat money: coins made of base metals and paper backed only by snickers and sly grins. It's in the process of collapsing, too in case you haven't noticed. Prices have been rising not because of scarcities but because of declining value of our paper currency.</p><p><br /></p><p> These state quarters will have no value pretty soon, I suspect. In the case of a currency collapse, they won't be worth even the value of the copper in them because of the difficulty in recovering the metals they're made of due to the method of sandwiching the layers of metal for the planchet stock. The circulation strikes aren't going to hold any value other than that assigned to them by collectors in the case of a currency collapse, though the silver strikes of the same designs will be worth face value if we return to a hard dollar system like we had prior to '64. That's what I mean by intrinsic value. A silver coin is valuable by virtue of being made of high grade silver alloy and can be traded for goods without the necessity of a law forcing people to pretend it's worth something unlike those sandwich metal coins.[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>
[QUOTE="cmbdii, post: 3923, member: 655"]Fiat money is money issued by fiat, unbacked by precious metal. It's not authorized in our Constitution and is a result of an unlawful act of Congress. There's a difference between intrinsic value and subjective value, so your statement that fiat money is a form of money with no intrinsic value to to most people isn't exactly right. A coin has intrinsic value to the extent that the material used to make it is valuable. The only reason that people regard fiat money as money is that they are required to do so by legal tender laws, which in this country are unlawful. Your fantasy of seashells picked up out of the sand and used as money is just that, a fantasy. Items of relative rarity have historically been used as money, not common items which anyone can amass by bending over and scooping them up off of the ground. Our money has been made of precious metal and valuable industrial metals(like copper and nickel) assigned a value by a standard which made pennies redeemable for silver or gold for most of our history as a country. Our money today is fiat money: coins made of base metals and paper backed only by snickers and sly grins. It's in the process of collapsing, too in case you haven't noticed. Prices have been rising not because of scarcities but because of declining value of our paper currency. These state quarters will have no value pretty soon, I suspect. In the case of a currency collapse, they won't be worth even the value of the copper in them because of the difficulty in recovering the metals they're made of due to the method of sandwiching the layers of metal for the planchet stock. The circulation strikes aren't going to hold any value other than that assigned to them by collectors in the case of a currency collapse, though the silver strikes of the same designs will be worth face value if we return to a hard dollar system like we had prior to '64. That's what I mean by intrinsic value. A silver coin is valuable by virtue of being made of high grade silver alloy and can be traded for goods without the necessity of a law forcing people to pretend it's worth something unlike those sandwich metal coins.[/QUOTE]
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