Featured Standard Price Guide to World Crowns and Talers 1484-1968

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  1. Seattlite86

    Seattlite86 Outspoken Member

    Hey Folks,
    I just purchased this book: Standard Price Guide to World Crowns and Talers 1484-1968 As Cataloged by Dr John S. Davenport. I have been bitten by the Taler bug, and while the only whole Taler I own is a Maria Theresia restrike, I hope to own more of these beauties. @micbraun and @Rheingold have been helping me look for one solid Taler to buy. Seems I’m pickier than anticipated and pickier than my budget allows. After sifting through over 5,000 Talers on Ma-Shops (@ma-shops love the Website), I decided I needed to buy the book and learn. Unfortunately, most of Davenport’s actual hardcover works are going for $100+, so I decided to start small with this 1984 2nd and final price catalog. I’m not sure what to expect, but I hope it’s a good start and for it being like new and $30 shipped, I felt I couldn’t go wrong. I made a list of “wants” and it seems my taste falls generally in the 16 and 1700s. Feel free to post any recommended literature or Talers of your own!

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  3. Eduard

    Eduard Supporter**

    Hi Brandon,
    I collect German coin of the late 1700's and into 1870. For this area I highly recommend the following catalogues:

    1. Deutscher Muenzkatalog. 18. jahrhundert 1700-1806. By Gerhard Schoen. Published by Battenberg Verlag.

    2. Grosser Deutscher Muenzkatalog. Von 1800 bis Heute. By Arnold/ Kuethmann/ Steinhilber (the so-called AKS book). Published by Battenberg Verlag.

    These are not expensive. The Schoen book costs about 35 euros. It is very comprehensive! The AKS about 20-25 euros, and worth every penny. This is the reference most used for coins from the 1800's.

    I consider both of these to be the best references for German Coinage of the above period. The pricing of the coins is accurate with what can be expected. Make sure to look for the latest editions. You will find them both at the Numismata, if you are going.

    There is also a catalogue by K. Jaeger (which I am not familiar with).

    Finally, there is also the catalogue by Bernd Stutzmann covering german coinage from 1800 until 1873. This is outside your scope, but it is an excellent book with very accurate pricing. It is no longer published (latest was 2008 or so), but if you can find it will give you the most accurate ideas what people in Germany actually pay for german coins since it is based on actual auction records and actual rarity estimates based on sales going back about 60 years. (Cited from: https://www.cointalk.com/threads/standard-price-guide-to-world-crowns-and-talers-1484-1968.333860/)
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  4. Eduard

    Eduard Supporter**

    I forgot to mention the 'Standard catalogue of German Coins', 1501- Present, compiled by N.D Nicol. Published by KP (?).

    This is a very voluminous book (like a telephone directory!)
    It is useful as a general guide( it has lots of pictures which many would find useful) but I hardly ever use it because the rarity and pricing information is (totally) inaccurate.
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  5. Seattlite86

    Seattlite86 Outspoken Member

    Thanks for the recommendations!
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  6. Mkman123

    Mkman123 Well-Known Member

    @Seattlite86 I also like thalers and crown size coins........I do the same thing as you.....browse through MA shops for my next purchase or future wishlist!
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  7. Eduard

    Eduard Supporter**

    I wish you lots of fun with Talers!

    German coinage from the 1800's in general was my first collecting passion, and I still have quite a number of them. I collect all types - Taler, Doppeltaler (these are impressive), Gulden, Kreuzer....so many different types and German States that you can easily get lost unless you have a focus on what you want to collect.
    But that is part of the fun.
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  8. Seattlite86

    Seattlite86 Outspoken Member

    I was able to find the 1800+ one on eBay but not the 1700). I found one on amazon from 2017 for about twice the price of the 1800+. I’ll certainly look at the Numismata, but is there anywhere else to get them cheap? I’ll check out the coin stores in the area. There are only 2 and both are 25+ minutes from here.
  9. Eduard

    Eduard Supporter**

    I can let you have my 2016 AKS (31. Auflage) if you want (free of course).
    I have the 2018, but frankly, not much difference as prices really do not change much in the area of German coins.

    Otherwise, you can try calling Battenberg Gietl Verlag and aks if they have any older editions than the current ones, that they can let you have for a reduced price.
    You can also ask them about the 1700-1806 catalogue. I have the 2008, 4. Auflage and is plenty good for me.

    The other thing you may want to do is wait until the Numismata, Muenchen and look for the dealer right by the doors as you come in. They only sell books, catalogues and supplies. They also have a big box full of older editions, (all unused) of many of their catalogues which they sell you for much reduced prices. Leftover material which they are happy to let go. That is how I have obtained some of my catalogues. Even so, do not forget to ask for a discount.

    PS- if you would like to have my 2016 AKS, just send me your address (PN).
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  10. spirityoda

    spirityoda Coin Junky Supporter

    Krause world coin catalogs are not bad either. $60-70
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  11. Seattlite86

    Seattlite86 Outspoken Member

    I do have all of them, hard copy and digital. I'd like one that focuses specifically on Talers. Those old books can be pretty pricey!
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  12. Seattlite86

    Seattlite86 Outspoken Member

    Thank you! I'll be sure to check at the Numismata. I might be seeing you in March and maybe I can pick up the Auflage then. :)
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  13. messydesk

    messydesk Well-Known Member

    Since I don't have any book recommendations, I'll just share this.


    Are there book recommendations for 16th and 17th century Talers?
  14. Seattlite86

    Seattlite86 Outspoken Member

    This is my #1 on my wish list, though Basel has some really awesome ones that I'm very much interested in. Davenport wrote several books on Talers, one of which he may have actually titled Gulden. When I go to the Munich show this Sunday, I'm going to ask some of the book sellers which ones they recommend. I'll let everyone know what I find out.
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  15. ma-shops

    ma-shops The grass is greener where you water it.

    Hey, I am quite busy at the moment - only random checking the internet, sorry!
    But let me check if I can get you some information. Maybe it takes some time... And who knows, Maybe you will find a copy in munich?!
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  16. ma-shops

    ma-shops The grass is greener where you water it.

    Keep us posted!
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  17. Eduard

    Eduard Supporter**

    Following a specific theme may be an idea for a German Taler collection. One theme that I like are the city-view Talers.

    Coinage portraying views of their main cities were struck by a few of the german states - Regensburg, Nuernberg, Ausgburg, Koeln and Frankfurt are examples.

    As an example, here is my small collection of city-view coinage struck by the city of Frankfurt.

    Frankfurt - Konventionstaler 1772
    Frankfurt Taler Stadtansicht OBV - 1.jpg Frankfurt Taler Stadtansicht REV - 1.jpg

    Frankfurt - Kontributions Dukat 1796
    Frankfurt Gulden 1796 OBV - 1.jpg Frankfurt Gulden 1796 REV - 1.jpg

    Frankfurt - Doppeltaler 1841
    Frankkfurt Doppeltaler 1841 OBV1 N - 1.jpg Frankkfurt Doppeltaler 1841 REV1 N - 1.jpg

    Frankfurt - 6 Kreuzer 1853
    Frankfurt 6 Kreuzer 1853 OBV1 N - 1.jpg Frankfurt 6 Kreuzer 1853 REV1 N - 1.jpg
    Last edited: Feb 26, 2019
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  18. Seattlite86

    Seattlite86 Outspoken Member

    That 1772 is actually my #1 Frankfurt Taler choice!

    I also saw a beauty from konstanz and would be happy to pick that one up too. :)
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  19. Seattlite86

    Seattlite86 Outspoken Member

    Thanks! I’ll come find your tables while I’m there for sure. I’ll shoot you a PM as well.
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  20. ma-shops

    ma-shops The grass is greener where you water it.

    Oh yes - I agree! I do not collect them, but you are Right - The City-View Taler are gorgeous and a very nice theme to collect - most of them are so beautiful and fantastic detailed!
    I had one from our dealers in hands (it is just an archive picture, since it has been sold quite fast) - it was a 10 Ducat from Salzburg and just beautiful...

    Attached Files:

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  21. ma-shops

    ma-shops The grass is greener where you water it.

    Honestly, at the beginning I was shocked how "pricey" they can be...:shame:
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