Stacks said they are the same grade; PCGS says they are all different. You say?

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  1. calcol

    calcol Supporter! Supporter

    So, in 1991, I bid-on and won a set of 1939 PDS Arkansas commemorative half dollars in a Stack's auction. They were raw, and Stack's graded them all the same. Last year, I sent them to PCGS for grading, and they came back in body bags labeled PVC residue. I couldn't see any residue nor could @Cascade, so we guessed that PCGS used a "sniffer" on them.

    They were given an acetone bath and sent back to PCGS. This time they came back in slabs, but with different grades. Based on the photos, what grade would you give?

    These coins are a classic example of low mintage (2100) not always equating to high value.

    Cal

    P mint:
    half_dollar_1939_P_Ark_obv.jpg

    half_dollar_1939_P_Ark_rev.jpg


    D mint:

    half_dollar_1939_D_Ark_obv.jpg

    half_dollar_1939_D_Ark_rev.jpg

    S mint:

    half_dollar_1939_S_Ark_obv.jpg


    half_dollar_1939_S_Ark_rev.jpg
     
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  3. jtlee321

    jtlee321 Well-Known Member

    Boy, they all look around 64 to me.
     
  4. Johndoe2000$

    Johndoe2000$ RE-MEMBER

    Yep, 63/64 IMO.
     
  5. JBOCON

    JBOCON Active Member

    The S mint might grade a little lower?
     
  6. Keepright

    Keepright Member

    I say 63 to64
     
  7. ToughCOINS

    ToughCOINS Dealer Member Moderator

    64 / 62 / 63 in that order.
     
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  8. Skyman

    Skyman Well-Known Member

    I'm in there with the 63/64 crowd, with the one proviso that the P mint grade one point higher than the other two.
     
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  9. ldhair

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  10. IBetASilverDollar

    IBetASilverDollar Well-Known Member

    The P's focal areas are just much nicer looking to my eye than the S or D so for that reason I think P>D=S but no experience to guess grades.
     
  11. Treashunt

    Treashunt The Other Frank

    1991's grades vs today are totally different.
     
  12. C-B-D

    C-B-D Well-Known Member

  13. ddddd

    ddddd Member

    P-65...the most appealing of the set with few marks
    D-64...has a few hits/scratches on the obverse in somr what focal areas
    S-64...a few dark spots on the obverse and reverse
     
  14. harley bissell

    harley bissell New Member

    grades evolve. were they even using the 70 point system then?
    If not then they were all either UNC or BU and be done with it.
    Noticeable scratch on one would knock down at least one grade.
     
  15. coinsareus10

    coinsareus10 Active Member

  16. Stevearino

    Stevearino Supporter! Supporter

    Going against the flow here: 63, 64, 65.
    Steve
     
  17. chascat

    chascat Well-Known Member

    65,63,64...agree with coinsareus10
     
  18. CoinBreaux

    CoinBreaux Well-Known Member

    1st Coin: 64

    2nd Coin:63

    3rd Coin: 63+
     
  19. calcol

    calcol Supporter! Supporter

    Here are the grades from Stacks and PCGS. Stacks graded them each aChBU. That should translate to MS62. When I looked at the coins before sending them to PCGS, I thought they were MS63-MS64, like most of you. The PCGS grades can be seen in pics below. The D-mint was as expected; P-mint a pleasant surprise; S-mint was a shocker.

    Cal

    half_dollar_1939_P_Ark_label.jpg half_dollar_1939_D_Ark_label.jpg half_dollar_1939_S_Ark_label.jpg
     
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  20. BigTee44

    BigTee44 Well-Known Member

    Had the 65 and 63 right, not seeing the cleaning though
     
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  21. ldhair

    ldhair Clean Supporter

    Looking back at the 39-S, I can see what PCGS is saying. The luster looks messes with. The spots probably came because of the cleaning. Still a nice coin.
     
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