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<p>[QUOTE="Johnnie Black, post: 3665248, member: 79167"]I believe the dies used on this legitimate Carisius Moneta coin are also the same dies associated with the counterfeit. So the counterfeits do come from a coin that had legit dies, but I'm not so sure I have that mother coin.</p><p><br /></p><p>The same legit coin sold through Numismatica Ars Classica in 2006 and 2009.</p><p><br /></p><p>2006</p><p><img src="https://www.acsearch.info/media/images/archive/83/481/287573.m.jpg" class="bbCodeImage wysiwygImage" alt="" unselectable="on" /></p><p><br /></p><p>2009</p><p><img src="https://www.acsearch.info/media/images/archive/83/837/583974.m.jpg" class="bbCodeImage wysiwygImage" alt="" unselectable="on" /></p><p><br /></p><p>I think the E in MONETA helps match the obverse to the cast fake, and how a wisp of hair nearly touch the O. On the reverse the direction the coin implements are pointing and spacing of T. CARISIVS help match. I would do the overlay trick for comparison but I'm not savvy enough.</p><p><br /></p><p><img src="https://www.cointalk.com/attachments/da9385ed-6289-4b4d-9488-0b655bef722e-jpeg.814531/" class="bbCodeImage wysiwygImage" alt="" unselectable="on" /></p><p><br /></p><p>I'm still investigating to see if my NGC coin is legitimate. I now have a cast fake in hand and when comparing the two together I'm skeptical that I actually have the mother coin slabbed. The die axis on the slabbed coin is exactly the same as the counterfeit.[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>
[QUOTE="Johnnie Black, post: 3665248, member: 79167"]I believe the dies used on this legitimate Carisius Moneta coin are also the same dies associated with the counterfeit. So the counterfeits do come from a coin that had legit dies, but I'm not so sure I have that mother coin. The same legit coin sold through Numismatica Ars Classica in 2006 and 2009. 2006 [IMG]https://www.acsearch.info/media/images/archive/83/481/287573.m.jpg[/IMG] 2009 [IMG]https://www.acsearch.info/media/images/archive/83/837/583974.m.jpg[/IMG] I think the E in MONETA helps match the obverse to the cast fake, and how a wisp of hair nearly touch the O. On the reverse the direction the coin implements are pointing and spacing of T. CARISIVS help match. I would do the overlay trick for comparison but I'm not savvy enough. [IMG]https://www.cointalk.com/attachments/da9385ed-6289-4b4d-9488-0b655bef722e-jpeg.814531/[/IMG] I'm still investigating to see if my NGC coin is legitimate. I now have a cast fake in hand and when comparing the two together I'm skeptical that I actually have the mother coin slabbed. The die axis on the slabbed coin is exactly the same as the counterfeit.[/QUOTE]
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