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<p>[QUOTE="Kasia, post: 1390637, member: 31533"]I think you are missing the point here. </p><p><br /></p><p>#1) you are calling the dealer a greedy lowlife for selling something fake at a price more than you claim it can be gotten for from a different source, yet you are willing to A) purchase items (indian head cents) and auction them in the hope that you can make 1.30 or whatever for each of them (nearly 200% of your purchase price -- bet you'd be crowing if they went for 10.00 each, and you wouldn't give that money back to the buyer and say, sorry, that coin just wasn't worth that amount), and B) clean coins and resell them for a 25c to a buck each without notifying the 'newbies' you want to buy them that they aren't worth that amount. How in tarnation is this dealer's actions any different from what you have told us you are willing to do. In fact, in scenario A), you actually are doing this because of greed - after seeing some indian head cents you claim are worth diddly go for 2.00 a piece. The problem doesn't really lie with what the guy is asking for the coin (in fact there's someone here routinely putting up a certain coin on eBay and asking more than 8 million for something that might conceivably be valued at 1,000 to 3,500 on a good day). A seller has the right to ask whatever they want to, and a buyer has the right to buy at a price they are willing to put out their money for, as long as it's not coerced (like what happens when in a disaster area where water is scarce, selling water for like 400.00 a gallon, and you're the only supplier). It's not the amount the guy is asking that is the problem. The problem comes in the REPRESENTATION of said coin for sale without disclosing what it actually is, whether it's cleaned or fake. I don't care if he's selling these for a cent or giving them away. They have the potential to fool others who weren't in on the original purchase (if the original purchaser knows they are fakes), and they have the potential to be fraudulent from the start, being able to be sold by the dealer to someone unable to spot it as a fake, and who believes it to be real.</p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p>#2) With the points above, I find it humorous, to be generous, and decidedly dastardly at my most ungenerous for someone who is willing to fleece newbies the way I've observed what you are willing to do, all for profit, and none for being forthright or honestly promoting the hobby to others to take the tack you take, and make this comment. </p><p><br /></p><p>Oh well, I suppose you won't be back on this thread to read it, but if someone else in the hobby does read this, and decides to be an upstanding dealer because of what I wrote, then it's all worth it.</p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p>[ATTACH]166004.vB[/ATTACH][/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>
[QUOTE="Kasia, post: 1390637, member: 31533"]I think you are missing the point here. #1) you are calling the dealer a greedy lowlife for selling something fake at a price more than you claim it can be gotten for from a different source, yet you are willing to A) purchase items (indian head cents) and auction them in the hope that you can make 1.30 or whatever for each of them (nearly 200% of your purchase price -- bet you'd be crowing if they went for 10.00 each, and you wouldn't give that money back to the buyer and say, sorry, that coin just wasn't worth that amount), and B) clean coins and resell them for a 25c to a buck each without notifying the 'newbies' you want to buy them that they aren't worth that amount. How in tarnation is this dealer's actions any different from what you have told us you are willing to do. In fact, in scenario A), you actually are doing this because of greed - after seeing some indian head cents you claim are worth diddly go for 2.00 a piece. The problem doesn't really lie with what the guy is asking for the coin (in fact there's someone here routinely putting up a certain coin on eBay and asking more than 8 million for something that might conceivably be valued at 1,000 to 3,500 on a good day). A seller has the right to ask whatever they want to, and a buyer has the right to buy at a price they are willing to put out their money for, as long as it's not coerced (like what happens when in a disaster area where water is scarce, selling water for like 400.00 a gallon, and you're the only supplier). It's not the amount the guy is asking that is the problem. The problem comes in the REPRESENTATION of said coin for sale without disclosing what it actually is, whether it's cleaned or fake. I don't care if he's selling these for a cent or giving them away. They have the potential to fool others who weren't in on the original purchase (if the original purchaser knows they are fakes), and they have the potential to be fraudulent from the start, being able to be sold by the dealer to someone unable to spot it as a fake, and who believes it to be real. #2) With the points above, I find it humorous, to be generous, and decidedly dastardly at my most ungenerous for someone who is willing to fleece newbies the way I've observed what you are willing to do, all for profit, and none for being forthright or honestly promoting the hobby to others to take the tack you take, and make this comment. Oh well, I suppose you won't be back on this thread to read it, but if someone else in the hobby does read this, and decides to be an upstanding dealer because of what I wrote, then it's all worth it. [ATTACH]166004.vB[/ATTACH][/QUOTE]
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