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<p>[QUOTE="Beefer518, post: 2833676, member: 87737"][USER=21705]@Marshall[/USER] - I've read your other posts, and have held you in high regard, especially in the field of EAC's. With the level of intelligence you have repeatedly shown in other topics, I struggle to understand why you aren't grasping what is being said here.</p><p><br /></p><p>I'm going to try and explain it in a very simple way.</p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p>It's not that you can't use the image, you just can't use it as advertising. You can copy it, save it, print it, frame it, get a tattoo of it, name a child after it, mail pictures to your friends and family letting them know about the most awesomest coin you ever bought. But that's just it - you bought the coin. Nothing else. You didn't buy his camera, you didn't buy his memory card, you didn't by the index finger on his right finger that pressed the shutter, and you most certainly did not buy the image of the coin. You bought the coin, end of story.</p><p><br /></p><p>Now, like I said, you can do all sorts of things with that image of that awesome coin, EXCEPT use it to advertise the sale of the coin. </p><p><br /></p><p>Simple enough? No law, no lawyer, no photographer is going to tell you you can't do the things I listed above (unless they don't know copyright laws), and no one will sue you for doing so. BUT, use it to sell said coin, and all of them are within their rights (just like you have certain, albeit limited rights to the photo's use) to drop the hammer on you. Will they? Most likely not, but the law is there not to allow frivolous lawsuits, but to protect people whose livelihood (ability to earn a living in a legal endeavor) would be infringed upon by not being paid for work provided. </p><p><br /></p><p>I don't know what line of work you are in, or were in if you are retired, but I'm sure at some point in your life someone (intentionally or inadvertently) didn't pay you for something you did that they should have, or maybe took something of yours without compensating you for it. Pissed you off, right? Maybe not so much that you would sue them or have them arrested, but you know you were wronged by not having been compensated for something you should have received something in trade for (cash, another item, etc.). That's what we're talking about here - using something owned by another for you personal gain, without compensating the party you infringed upon. I think that makes sense.</p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p>Nobody is going to jump on anyone's case if they are solely using the image to educate and inform. Using it to inform a potential buyer what your item looks like is defined as advertising - completely different then a documentary use of something.</p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p>No. This is a comment I would expect from someone with considerably less intelligence then you have repeatedly shown yourself to posses. You are welcome to share anything you want on Facebook, or anywhere else. Nobody will say boo about it. Just don't use it in a manner that can be construed as commercial.</p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p>I can use and reuse your flower picture in any way I decide I want to, as long as I don't use it a) to advertise my product b) use it as a logo for an enterprise (not even non-profit), or c) claim ownership and sell rights to it for purposes that fall into a or b.</p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p>Now, I really don't know how to explain to you in any more basic terms what a moral person, one who understands what is and isn't theirs, what it is that they own when they buy something, or one who understands right from wrong would need to make this more clear. </p><p><br /></p><p>I'm sorry if you can't grasp the reason the law is there, I won't try to explain why.</p><p>I'm sorry if you can't understand what it is you own, and what you don't own.</p><p>I'm sorry if you think everything you come across in daily life is yours because it's there.</p><p><br /></p><p>When I was a child, I would go shopping with my mom. She always said to me "Look with your eyes, not with your hands". That has held true in later life - I can look at something, but it isn't mine to handle and do with what I want, until either I have bought and paid for it (took ownership), or was given permission. I guess not all of us had the same life lessons instilled in us.</p><p><br /></p><p><b>I still look forward to reading what you have to say about coins, as I too collects EAC's, and I'm not nearly as educated in that field as you are, and I'm always looking to learn, especially from those who know more about a subject then I do.</b>[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>
[QUOTE="Beefer518, post: 2833676, member: 87737"][USER=21705]@Marshall[/USER] - I've read your other posts, and have held you in high regard, especially in the field of EAC's. With the level of intelligence you have repeatedly shown in other topics, I struggle to understand why you aren't grasping what is being said here. I'm going to try and explain it in a very simple way. It's not that you can't use the image, you just can't use it as advertising. You can copy it, save it, print it, frame it, get a tattoo of it, name a child after it, mail pictures to your friends and family letting them know about the most awesomest coin you ever bought. But that's just it - you bought the coin. Nothing else. You didn't buy his camera, you didn't buy his memory card, you didn't by the index finger on his right finger that pressed the shutter, and you most certainly did not buy the image of the coin. You bought the coin, end of story. Now, like I said, you can do all sorts of things with that image of that awesome coin, EXCEPT use it to advertise the sale of the coin. Simple enough? No law, no lawyer, no photographer is going to tell you you can't do the things I listed above (unless they don't know copyright laws), and no one will sue you for doing so. BUT, use it to sell said coin, and all of them are within their rights (just like you have certain, albeit limited rights to the photo's use) to drop the hammer on you. Will they? Most likely not, but the law is there not to allow frivolous lawsuits, but to protect people whose livelihood (ability to earn a living in a legal endeavor) would be infringed upon by not being paid for work provided. I don't know what line of work you are in, or were in if you are retired, but I'm sure at some point in your life someone (intentionally or inadvertently) didn't pay you for something you did that they should have, or maybe took something of yours without compensating you for it. Pissed you off, right? Maybe not so much that you would sue them or have them arrested, but you know you were wronged by not having been compensated for something you should have received something in trade for (cash, another item, etc.). That's what we're talking about here - using something owned by another for you personal gain, without compensating the party you infringed upon. I think that makes sense. Nobody is going to jump on anyone's case if they are solely using the image to educate and inform. Using it to inform a potential buyer what your item looks like is defined as advertising - completely different then a documentary use of something. No. This is a comment I would expect from someone with considerably less intelligence then you have repeatedly shown yourself to posses. You are welcome to share anything you want on Facebook, or anywhere else. Nobody will say boo about it. Just don't use it in a manner that can be construed as commercial. I can use and reuse your flower picture in any way I decide I want to, as long as I don't use it a) to advertise my product b) use it as a logo for an enterprise (not even non-profit), or c) claim ownership and sell rights to it for purposes that fall into a or b. Now, I really don't know how to explain to you in any more basic terms what a moral person, one who understands what is and isn't theirs, what it is that they own when they buy something, or one who understands right from wrong would need to make this more clear. I'm sorry if you can't grasp the reason the law is there, I won't try to explain why. I'm sorry if you can't understand what it is you own, and what you don't own. I'm sorry if you think everything you come across in daily life is yours because it's there. When I was a child, I would go shopping with my mom. She always said to me "Look with your eyes, not with your hands". That has held true in later life - I can look at something, but it isn't mine to handle and do with what I want, until either I have bought and paid for it (took ownership), or was given permission. I guess not all of us had the same life lessons instilled in us. [B]I still look forward to reading what you have to say about coins, as I too collects EAC's, and I'm not nearly as educated in that field as you are, and I'm always looking to learn, especially from those who know more about a subject then I do.[/B][/QUOTE]
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