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<p>[QUOTE=&quot;GDJMSP, post: 24902252, member: 112&quot;]Think of it this way, they (the TPGs) really don&#039;t care about proof. When push comes to shove the only thing they care about are definitions, and they are they the ones who decide what <u>their definitions</u> are, and when they apply and when they don&#039;t. If anything has ever been <u>proved</u> it is that the TPGs will slab just about anything !</p><p><br /></p><p>Take the slabbed coins you&#039;ll find in these threads -</p><p><br /></p><p><a href="https://www.cointalk.com/threads/is-anyone-else-seeing-a-lot-of-waffle-cancelled-coins-on-the-market.393510/" class="internalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://www.cointalk.com/threads/is-anyone-else-seeing-a-lot-of-waffle-cancelled-coins-on-the-market.393510/">https://www.cointalk.com/threads/is-anyone-else-seeing-a-lot-of-waffle-cancelled-coins-on-the-market.393510/</a></p><p><br /></p><p><a href="https://www.cointalk.com/threads/cancelled-coins-some-more-collectible-than-others.272534/" class="internalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://www.cointalk.com/threads/cancelled-coins-some-more-collectible-than-others.272534/">https://www.cointalk.com/threads/cancelled-coins-some-more-collectible-than-others.272534/</a></p><p><br /></p><p>Is there any doubt at all in anybody&#039;s mind that the coins in those threads have been damaged ? They are intentionally and quite deliberately damaged ! And yet all the TPGs slabbed them. Why ? Because of where the damage occurred. By their definition, it&#039;s not damage, because that damage was done at the mint.</p><p><br /></p><p>The very same thing happens when coins develop wear on them at the mint. And some coins absolutely do develop wear on them during all the handling, and moving around, and counting, and packaging, and bagging, before they ever leave the mint. To think it doesn&#039;t happen, can&#039;t happen, is ludicrous ! And yet to the TPGs, and by using their definitions, it&#039;s not wear if it occurred at the mint, or they can &quot;claim&quot; it occurred at the mint.</p><p><br /></p><p>Wear is wear, regardless of how, when and where it occurs, just like damage is damage regardless of how, when, and where it occurs.</p><p><br /></p><p>The problem is that there is absolutely no way to prove how, when, and where any of it occurred ! It doesn&#039;t matter if it is wear, or damaged, or even if the coin is waffled, it can just easily be done or occur outside the mint as it can occur inside the mint. But the TPGs claim it did occur inside the mint so the wear or damage doesn&#039;t count as wear or damage because of where it supposedly, stress supposedly, happened.</p><p><br /></p><p>The one and only thing that matters is that things like wear and damage are present on the coin. It simply doesn&#039;t matter, or make any difference because of how, where, when, or why it happened. It only matters that it is there ![/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>

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