The British recorded the coins by total face value of all coins struck, or by weight value for all coins struck. So in 1677 you'd get a certain weight of silver minted into all silver denominations, to a certain face value. But that's not much help knowing exactly how many were struck of each denomination. One small question about the French issues, what fineness of silver were they? And why was France still minting silver coins, i mean the French government was nearing bankruptcy in the 1780s, and the British had suspended silver coin minting some decades previous due to the excessive silver prices. Presumably the French silver coins must have been of lower purity?
This is true to a degree but only a degree. The Spanish used the very same system but yet mintages are known for each denomination and year. It just takes a bit of work to determine them. You won't get the mintage down to the exact number - but you'll be very close. What the British and Spanish did rather than record the mintage numbers for each denomination was to dictate certain percentages be struck. For example, with the Spanish - for every 100 pesos of silver, 85 were 8 reales, 8 were 4 reales, 4 were 2 reales, 2 were 1 reale and 1 were 1/2 reale. In percentages of silver weight that translates into roughly 57% as 8 reales and 11% each for the other denomoinations. You can be assured the British did something very similar. But they were not. The debasement of coinage was done away with starting with the reign of Louis XIV. So by the time of the reign of Louis XVI - it simply never happened. The silver fineness was .917.
Hmm interesting, so where did they get the silver from then? One can ionly assume that they must have melted down old issues, or perhaps this is where the British coins ended up, shipped to the continent to be sold as scrap. So perhaps France wasn't as short of silver. That's only an hypothesis. I'm probably wrong. As for the mintage ratio figures i email the Royal Mint about those and a guy who works there is looking through the archives for me, he said other people have asked before now, but he hasn't got back to me in a while, i'll have to give him a bell and see how it's going.
The French did restrike a lot of old issues during this time - they did from about 1700 onwards. But you are correct to a degree. It wa sbecause of the English silver/gold valuations. They were never the same as found on the continent and thus British silver was routinely exported. If you wish to understand more about this I suggest you obtain a rather inexpensive but very lengthy and detailed book Coins of the World by R.A.G. Carson. The easiest place to find the ratios is typically found in the laws passed regarding coinage. It may be a Royal Edict, in the case of the Spaniards it was. Were I you - I would research there and forget the mint. But if you know a total weight of silver struck in any given year - simply use the same percentages I have provided and you will be very close.
I had a list somewhere hidden on predecimal forum, but i dunno if they are still there, hopefully Chris still has them. The original member that provided them left after a disgreement with another member and thus i can get them again if he hasn't.
Of course, only makes sense. Even so you'll know more by doing so than most collectors of British coinage
mystery louis xiv coin identification Hi all, I need help as well identifying a Louis xiv coin. It is the size of a modern nickle and says "Liard de France D" on the reverse, reading in a vertical fashion. It is dated 1656, and viewable writing just before the date (which is on the obverse right) says "...fret.de.na" as close as I can make out. Any ideas? Thanks! Mr. Charlie
You've already identified it yourself. It's a 1656 liard (that's the denomination) struck at the Vimy mint (mint mark is D) during the reign of Louis XIIII.