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<p>[QUOTE="krispy, post: 1360287, member: 19065"]Here's why I disagree...</p><p><br /></p><p>IF indeed a fake note, and we have no reason based on the posts in this tread to believe that the OP has the requisite knowledge to say it's fake, because for one, the OP is questioning it here and has shown he's uncertain whether it's fake or not. And two, hasn't provided a list of failed diagnostics used to prove its fake, nor provided enough visual evidence for others to agree with him, thus confirming the note is fake based on the OPs in-hand observation. Three, he hasn't yet taken steps beyond this forum to certify the note as counterfeit, such as sending to a TPG to certify that it's fake, and proving his assessment meets industry professionals' review, namely that they concur it's fake.</p><p><br /></p><p>Additionally, this is an even larger issue and every person's responsibility to take action, if fake, to report the note. Doing so is for stopping the greater damage being done to the security of our currency, the safety of transactions and stopping the theft that the criminal enterprise sending these into circulation is getting by with doing. By not helping to report the finding, if indeed fake, it enable criminal activity to continue. Notes can be tracked, and if fake, the information about when and where the fake appeared helps to paint a picture of damage or locate where these notes surface, perhaps leading to the culprit(s) in due course of investigation. </p><p><br /></p><p>I can totally understand the urge of a collector to hang onto the note, or for others to proclaim their detection was suitable and frame it on the wall to boast about it, but it's irresponsible at helping to stop the larger threat. Had they done so, they might boast of their involvement in stopping such a threat rather than admiring a piece of paper with no valid proof it was a fake nor that they took steps to help authorities stop the crime.</p><p><br /></p><p> Faulting bank tellers who failed to detect a counterfeit is weak support of your argument here when we cannot verify the story you are referring to. Please provide links and documentation regarding the note(s) you speak about to back this up . Not all bank tellers in their quick review with counterfeit-detection-pens and whatever (if any) training they have received from their employers, are going to catch all fakes. The N. Korean <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Superdollar" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Superdollar" rel="nofollow">superdollars</a>. and their high quality is what makes them effective counterfeits. Most bank tellers are not as adept at catching them as one may suspect a 'banking professional' to be. The same is true of the individual. Even amateurs get lucky finding fake notes, be they amateurs working as bank tellers, WG or CT participants, but those amateurs can't be relied upon to stop the counterfeiters from doing their crime, and refusal to report the notes to the authorities only enables crimes to continue.</p><p><br /></p><p>This is not a done case until we actually see high resolution scans and some better proof to back up the OPs claims, and so that he can earn some of the credibility you heaped on him in your post NOS, that he's detected a counterfeit. And if fake, to see what responsible steps the OP decides to take to alert the authorities to the crime he uncovered.[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>
[QUOTE="krispy, post: 1360287, member: 19065"]Here's why I disagree... IF indeed a fake note, and we have no reason based on the posts in this tread to believe that the OP has the requisite knowledge to say it's fake, because for one, the OP is questioning it here and has shown he's uncertain whether it's fake or not. And two, hasn't provided a list of failed diagnostics used to prove its fake, nor provided enough visual evidence for others to agree with him, thus confirming the note is fake based on the OPs in-hand observation. Three, he hasn't yet taken steps beyond this forum to certify the note as counterfeit, such as sending to a TPG to certify that it's fake, and proving his assessment meets industry professionals' review, namely that they concur it's fake. Additionally, this is an even larger issue and every person's responsibility to take action, if fake, to report the note. Doing so is for stopping the greater damage being done to the security of our currency, the safety of transactions and stopping the theft that the criminal enterprise sending these into circulation is getting by with doing. By not helping to report the finding, if indeed fake, it enable criminal activity to continue. Notes can be tracked, and if fake, the information about when and where the fake appeared helps to paint a picture of damage or locate where these notes surface, perhaps leading to the culprit(s) in due course of investigation. I can totally understand the urge of a collector to hang onto the note, or for others to proclaim their detection was suitable and frame it on the wall to boast about it, but it's irresponsible at helping to stop the larger threat. Had they done so, they might boast of their involvement in stopping such a threat rather than admiring a piece of paper with no valid proof it was a fake nor that they took steps to help authorities stop the crime. Faulting bank tellers who failed to detect a counterfeit is weak support of your argument here when we cannot verify the story you are referring to. Please provide links and documentation regarding the note(s) you speak about to back this up . Not all bank tellers in their quick review with counterfeit-detection-pens and whatever (if any) training they have received from their employers, are going to catch all fakes. The N. Korean [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Superdollar"]superdollars[/URL]. and their high quality is what makes them effective counterfeits. Most bank tellers are not as adept at catching them as one may suspect a 'banking professional' to be. The same is true of the individual. Even amateurs get lucky finding fake notes, be they amateurs working as bank tellers, WG or CT participants, but those amateurs can't be relied upon to stop the counterfeiters from doing their crime, and refusal to report the notes to the authorities only enables crimes to continue. This is not a done case until we actually see high resolution scans and some better proof to back up the OPs claims, and so that he can earn some of the credibility you heaped on him in your post NOS, that he's detected a counterfeit. And if fake, to see what responsible steps the OP decides to take to alert the authorities to the crime he uncovered.[/QUOTE]
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