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<p>[QUOTE="TuckHard, post: 3794534, member: 102653"]Excellent question and I'm glad you asked it; these small tin imitations are frequently attributed to the Srivijaya Empire of Sumatra with the date of 998-1003 AD but that identification appears to be false. Coinage had yet to be widespread in Sumatra and the Srivijaya never had a proper coinage apart from some rarer precious metal pieces (gold tahil and silver massa). Even those are thought to be from other kingdoms or subordinate kingdoms rather than the Srivijaya.</p><p><br /></p><p>These coins were rather local tin imitation coins that were very common place in Sumatra. The islands had used Chinese cash (mostly Northern Song) for centuries, ever since the Majapahit Empire first started importing the copper cash into Java and Sumatra sometime in the 1300s. After hundreds of years and a Chinese ban on export of copper coins, the local coins began to dry up and there was a shortage in the 16th and 17th centuries.</p><p><br /></p><p>The local base coinage in the region is tin, rather than copper, so the counterfeit coins were cast in debased tin instead. These Xian Ping Yuan Bao coins were certainly minted during this time. Zeno tends to put it from late 1500s - 1640s which is reasonable to me. Hartill writes in <i>A Guide to Cash Coins</i> and places them very generally c. 1590-1620. Hartill then mentions the Chinqeo/Quanzhou mint in China as a possible alternative to the Sumatra origination theory, but I don't think this holds up well. As far as I know, all of the examples come from the islands, and in particular, the Musi River of Palembang, Sumatra.</p><p><br /></p><p>For my personal records I use this identification.</p><p style="text-align: center"><br /></p> <p style="text-align: center">[ATTACH=full]1013835[/ATTACH]</p> <p style="text-align: center">Tin Cash Imitation | Fossil of two pieces</p> <p style="text-align: center">c. 1640s</p> <p style="text-align: center">Xian Ping Yuan Bao</p> <p style="text-align: center">Crude local imitation</p> <p style="text-align: center">Palembang, Sumatra</p> <p style="text-align: center"><br /></p> <p style="text-align: center"><br /></p> <p style="text-align: center"><br /></p> <p style="text-align: center"><br /></p><p>I also wanted to point out that your King Gurek coin is listed as #9 on the first page of my post.[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>
[QUOTE="TuckHard, post: 3794534, member: 102653"]Excellent question and I'm glad you asked it; these small tin imitations are frequently attributed to the Srivijaya Empire of Sumatra with the date of 998-1003 AD but that identification appears to be false. Coinage had yet to be widespread in Sumatra and the Srivijaya never had a proper coinage apart from some rarer precious metal pieces (gold tahil and silver massa). Even those are thought to be from other kingdoms or subordinate kingdoms rather than the Srivijaya. These coins were rather local tin imitation coins that were very common place in Sumatra. The islands had used Chinese cash (mostly Northern Song) for centuries, ever since the Majapahit Empire first started importing the copper cash into Java and Sumatra sometime in the 1300s. After hundreds of years and a Chinese ban on export of copper coins, the local coins began to dry up and there was a shortage in the 16th and 17th centuries. The local base coinage in the region is tin, rather than copper, so the counterfeit coins were cast in debased tin instead. These Xian Ping Yuan Bao coins were certainly minted during this time. Zeno tends to put it from late 1500s - 1640s which is reasonable to me. Hartill writes in [I]A Guide to Cash Coins[/I] and places them very generally c. 1590-1620. Hartill then mentions the Chinqeo/Quanzhou mint in China as a possible alternative to the Sumatra origination theory, but I don't think this holds up well. As far as I know, all of the examples come from the islands, and in particular, the Musi River of Palembang, Sumatra. For my personal records I use this identification. [CENTER] [ATTACH=full]1013835[/ATTACH] Tin Cash Imitation | Fossil of two pieces c. 1640s Xian Ping Yuan Bao Crude local imitation Palembang, Sumatra [/CENTER] I also wanted to point out that your King Gurek coin is listed as #9 on the first page of my post.[/QUOTE]
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