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<p>[QUOTE="Leadfoot, post: 535379, member: 2972"]Thanks for sending the link, that's a wonderful site!</p><p><br /></p><p>A few points...</p><p><br /></p><p>o The site is addressing how to conserve copper that's been buried in the ground, not copper coins like the one shown in this thread (which doesn't look like a buried coin). As I'm sure you're aware, buried ancient coins typically look nothing like the coin in this post, but rather have a completely encased patina like this coin (or even worse, as this coin has already been conserved):</p><p><br /></p><p><img src="http://www.pbase.com/miker/image/51196225/medium.jpg" class="bbCodeImage wysiwygImage" alt="" unselectable="on" /></p><p><br /></p><p>So therefore, the conservation methods for these coins (which typically look like a "hunk of corrosion") should take that into effect, and be quite different from a coin in the condition of the OPs.</p><p><br /></p><p>o <i>"A thin layer of copper on the coin oxidizes to form a consistent and nonconcealing layer of copper (I) oxide (cuprite) called a patina. Numismatists sometimes refer to this process as "toning." This "dull-looking" patina usually protects the coin from further corrosion though impurities from the air, ground, and sea can cause further corrosion. A good patina should not be removed. If it is removed, the bright, newly-exposed surface will once again oxidize, causing a slight loss of the coin metal."</i> Part of this is correct, and part is incorrect. First off, not all patinas are copper oxide (BTW, copper oxide is red, not blue/green), so that part isn't entirely accurate. The part about patina being considered toning isn't entirely accurate either (sometimes it's toning, other times it's verdigris, and other times it's corrosion). That said, and this is key, the part that is correct is that the patina actually protects the surface of the coin, and once you strip this off, you've got a very-reactive and fresh copper surface (which is why most copper specialists that dip and strip coins apply oil to the surface).</p><p><br /></p><p>o The following quote explains precisely what I suggested above: <i>"It is important to note that the single most destructive force in causing corrosion is moisture; most of these reactions would not occur without its presence."</i> In other words, take away the water, and you effectively stop corrosion. Silica dessicant is very cheap, readily available, and non-destructive answer to stop corrosion -- and it works.</p><p><br /></p><p>o <i>"The most damaging corrosion occurs when chlorides and moisture come into contact with a coin, and chlorides are unfortunately quite common in the ground."</i> This is a great quote, and chlorides are something I didn't mention in my original post (my oversight), but similar to sulfur, they are relatively easy to stop from getting to the coin (a kontain or airtite or even a 2x2 all do a great job of limiting airflow and thus chlorine/sulphur), and if you remove water then what little sulfur/chlorine does make its way to the surface will do little to the coin.</p><p><br /></p><p>Again, you are free to conserve your coins as you see fit, but when you jump to suggesting things that simply aren't true as a justification I will (respectfully) take issue.</p><p><br /></p><p>Take care...Mike[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>
[QUOTE="Leadfoot, post: 535379, member: 2972"]Thanks for sending the link, that's a wonderful site! A few points... o The site is addressing how to conserve copper that's been buried in the ground, not copper coins like the one shown in this thread (which doesn't look like a buried coin). As I'm sure you're aware, buried ancient coins typically look nothing like the coin in this post, but rather have a completely encased patina like this coin (or even worse, as this coin has already been conserved): [img]http://www.pbase.com/miker/image/51196225/medium.jpg[/img] So therefore, the conservation methods for these coins (which typically look like a "hunk of corrosion") should take that into effect, and be quite different from a coin in the condition of the OPs. o [i]"A thin layer of copper on the coin oxidizes to form a consistent and nonconcealing layer of copper (I) oxide (cuprite) called a patina. Numismatists sometimes refer to this process as "toning." This "dull-looking" patina usually protects the coin from further corrosion though impurities from the air, ground, and sea can cause further corrosion. A good patina should not be removed. If it is removed, the bright, newly-exposed surface will once again oxidize, causing a slight loss of the coin metal."[/i] Part of this is correct, and part is incorrect. First off, not all patinas are copper oxide (BTW, copper oxide is red, not blue/green), so that part isn't entirely accurate. The part about patina being considered toning isn't entirely accurate either (sometimes it's toning, other times it's verdigris, and other times it's corrosion). That said, and this is key, the part that is correct is that the patina actually protects the surface of the coin, and once you strip this off, you've got a very-reactive and fresh copper surface (which is why most copper specialists that dip and strip coins apply oil to the surface). o The following quote explains precisely what I suggested above: [i]"It is important to note that the single most destructive force in causing corrosion is moisture; most of these reactions would not occur without its presence."[/i] In other words, take away the water, and you effectively stop corrosion. Silica dessicant is very cheap, readily available, and non-destructive answer to stop corrosion -- and it works. o [i]"The most damaging corrosion occurs when chlorides and moisture come into contact with a coin, and chlorides are unfortunately quite common in the ground."[/i] This is a great quote, and chlorides are something I didn't mention in my original post (my oversight), but similar to sulfur, they are relatively easy to stop from getting to the coin (a kontain or airtite or even a 2x2 all do a great job of limiting airflow and thus chlorine/sulphur), and if you remove water then what little sulfur/chlorine does make its way to the surface will do little to the coin. Again, you are free to conserve your coins as you see fit, but when you jump to suggesting things that simply aren't true as a justification I will (respectfully) take issue. Take care...Mike[/QUOTE]
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