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<p>[QUOTE=&quot;Insider, post: 2400274, member: 24314&quot;]Yes, and this could be the antique pot forum also but that would not change anything posted by this particular member. <img src="styles/default/xenforo/clear.png" class="mceSmilieSprite mceSmilie50" alt=":happy:" unselectable="on" unselectable="on" /> </p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>I have seen quite a few &quot;as taken out of the ground&quot; ancients, and many groups of &quot;supposedly&quot; fresh batches.&nbsp; So I&#039;ll agree that virtually all of them get treated in some way to &quot;clean&quot; them or alter them into &quot;fresh finds.&quot; However, IMO, (which I&#039;ll agree means nothing here) ANY treatment done with the hand-of-man plus some implement that removes surface debris BECOMES actual &quot;tooling&quot; as soon as the original coin&#039;s surface (no matter its state of preservation) becomes marred.&nbsp; That goes for bones too.<img src="styles/default/xenforo/clear.png" class="mceSmilieSprite mceSmilie14" alt=":angelic:" unselectable="on" unselectable="on" /></p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>I realize that is a high and mostly unattainable standard but I call them as I see them.&nbsp; Most of my ancients have been cleaned but they have luster, no hairlines, nice patina and NO EVIDENCE of any &quot;old&quot; cleaning.&nbsp; None of my ancients are tooled either; however, I don&#039;t collect the &quot;high-power&quot; copper stuff posted here. </p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>A professionally tooled/smoothed coin is a beauty to behold and obviously they are sought after from collector to collector through the ages. <img src="styles/default/xenforo/clear.png" class="mceSmilieSprite mceSmilie50" alt=":happy:" unselectable="on" unselectable="on" />[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>

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