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<p>[QUOTE="dougsmit, post: 2400201, member: 19463"]They have been around for years and many appear in references like Rosen and SNG Turkey 1 but recently more people have strated paying for them encouraging dealers to have them. Judging from sale catalogs of the 20th century, dekadracms are more common than obols. I used to get the little guys for little prices. Now more seem to be on the market. </p><p><br /></p><p>My definition of smoothing allows selective removal of corrosion to leave a better looking surface. Cleaning removes what is there (hopefully stopping above the patina layer) but does not try to make the letters or details more prominent by treating them differently than the fields. Smoothing/polishing silver rarely goes well because the layers above the surface are thin to microscopic while bronzes often have enough thickness that you can remove part rather than all to better effect. These are skills I don't have but I can appreciate the abilities of cleaners. Recently this section of CT has attracted a few posters who forget that this is the ancient section and we have no coins with 100% original (as struck) surfaces. Perhaps the closest we have are river coins which I don't always find all that pleasing. </p><p><br /></p><p>I might even be able to accept dealers who sell correctly marked altered coins if they were acting on their own volition but I'm wondering if the sudden appearance of these labels is more the doing of vCoins than of their own will. Do I own some smoothed coins that I did not realize were that way when I got them years ago. Certainly. Same with tooled coins? Probably but I'm less sure on this. The subject has become more out in the open in the last decade mostly thanks to sellers who were not only selling tooled/smoothed coins but selling poorly done ones.[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>
[QUOTE="dougsmit, post: 2400201, member: 19463"]They have been around for years and many appear in references like Rosen and SNG Turkey 1 but recently more people have strated paying for them encouraging dealers to have them. Judging from sale catalogs of the 20th century, dekadracms are more common than obols. I used to get the little guys for little prices. Now more seem to be on the market. My definition of smoothing allows selective removal of corrosion to leave a better looking surface. Cleaning removes what is there (hopefully stopping above the patina layer) but does not try to make the letters or details more prominent by treating them differently than the fields. Smoothing/polishing silver rarely goes well because the layers above the surface are thin to microscopic while bronzes often have enough thickness that you can remove part rather than all to better effect. These are skills I don't have but I can appreciate the abilities of cleaners. Recently this section of CT has attracted a few posters who forget that this is the ancient section and we have no coins with 100% original (as struck) surfaces. Perhaps the closest we have are river coins which I don't always find all that pleasing. I might even be able to accept dealers who sell correctly marked altered coins if they were acting on their own volition but I'm wondering if the sudden appearance of these labels is more the doing of vCoins than of their own will. Do I own some smoothed coins that I did not realize were that way when I got them years ago. Certainly. Same with tooled coins? Probably but I'm less sure on this. The subject has become more out in the open in the last decade mostly thanks to sellers who were not only selling tooled/smoothed coins but selling poorly done ones.[/QUOTE]
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