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<p>[QUOTE="GDJMSP, post: 1390286, member: 112"]Uhhh no,Caleb. It wasn't fiction, it is all quite true. And yes I am well aware that PCGS changed their labeling designation and that that is why there are SMS coins in both types of slabs. The point I was trying to get across to you is that PCGS used the SP to mean the same thing that NGC uses it for - Specimen Strike. And I presented evidence to that effect found on PCGS's own web site.</p><p><br /></p><p>Now you choose to claim that evidence is wrong because of the emails you have. Well, by the same token I can choose to claim that what your emails say is wrong because of the evidence I presented. But in reality it doesn't matter. Special Strike or Specimen Strike, they both refer to the same thing - the SMS coins - the two terms are synonymous. </p><p><br /></p><p>The entire point of this discussion comes down to one thing, and you have chosen to ignore that thing. The point being, that NGC, just like PCGS, has designated certain coins dated 1964 as being different from other coins of the same date. Yes, the claim made by the TPGs is that the coins are SMS coins. You say that that is myth and hype. I have never claimed that it isn't myth and hype. All I have ever said is that we don't know if it is or if it isn't.</p><p><br /></p><p>PCGS claims the coins are 1964 SMS coins. That is undeniable. NGC has also designated a few 1964 coins as being special, different than the regular coins of the same date. That is also undeniable. And that is the the thing that you have ignored.</p><p><br /></p><p>You said - </p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p>So I will ask you one last time, if the 1964 coins that NGC has designated SP are not the same coins that PCGS claims are SMS coins, then what exactly are they ? </p><p><br /></p><p>That one sentence is what this entire discussion is about. So answer the question.[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>
[QUOTE="GDJMSP, post: 1390286, member: 112"]Uhhh no,Caleb. It wasn't fiction, it is all quite true. And yes I am well aware that PCGS changed their labeling designation and that that is why there are SMS coins in both types of slabs. The point I was trying to get across to you is that PCGS used the SP to mean the same thing that NGC uses it for - Specimen Strike. And I presented evidence to that effect found on PCGS's own web site. Now you choose to claim that evidence is wrong because of the emails you have. Well, by the same token I can choose to claim that what your emails say is wrong because of the evidence I presented. But in reality it doesn't matter. Special Strike or Specimen Strike, they both refer to the same thing - the SMS coins - the two terms are synonymous. The entire point of this discussion comes down to one thing, and you have chosen to ignore that thing. The point being, that NGC, just like PCGS, has designated certain coins dated 1964 as being different from other coins of the same date. Yes, the claim made by the TPGs is that the coins are SMS coins. You say that that is myth and hype. I have never claimed that it isn't myth and hype. All I have ever said is that we don't know if it is or if it isn't. PCGS claims the coins are 1964 SMS coins. That is undeniable. NGC has also designated a few 1964 coins as being special, different than the regular coins of the same date. That is also undeniable. And that is the the thing that you have ignored. You said - So I will ask you one last time, if the 1964 coins that NGC has designated SP are not the same coins that PCGS claims are SMS coins, then what exactly are they ? That one sentence is what this entire discussion is about. So answer the question.[/QUOTE]
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