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<p>[QUOTE="cplradar, post: 5379162, member: 108985"]These examples say nothiing about the need to find providence. They say volumes about the need to do even further providence for the reasons you say... in the 1920's some of them might have been stolen. Because of the sloppiness of the business, it is even LIKELY that they were stolen at some point. Providence chains often have breaks. It makes them no less eseential.</p><p><br /></p><p>Right now, everything is cloak and and dagger. It is immoral, and it undermines conifdence in market. You ask the dealer who the seller is... they refuse to tell you. A spot light needs to shine on all of this until the cockroaches scatter. This is the INTERNATIONAL standard for ll antiquities. BTW that Dime you are showing. I am very interested in its origins.</p><p><br /></p><p>To make this clear, no dealer should take on consignment or trade in coins where there isn't reasonable evidence that the coins weren't stolen and with reasonable proof. This providence then needs to be recorded, as far back as one can reasonable go. One can obviously not conjure up evidence that doesn't exist, but that doesn't preclude one from attempting to do just that.</p><p><br /></p><p>With slabbed coins, there is really no excuse. The slabber, seller and buyer should all have a track record of the coin.</p><p><br /></p><p>One needs to be confronted that the MAJORITY of coins have been stolen at some point, and that the market is completely insecure because of this. Almost every dealer I know has been robbed, and a vast number of collectors. This KILLS the value of coins and suppresses the market. The only reason more people are not indited for selling stolen property is because cops are lazy and hiring lawyers is more expensive than the coins themselves.[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>
[QUOTE="cplradar, post: 5379162, member: 108985"]These examples say nothiing about the need to find providence. They say volumes about the need to do even further providence for the reasons you say... in the 1920's some of them might have been stolen. Because of the sloppiness of the business, it is even LIKELY that they were stolen at some point. Providence chains often have breaks. It makes them no less eseential. Right now, everything is cloak and and dagger. It is immoral, and it undermines conifdence in market. You ask the dealer who the seller is... they refuse to tell you. A spot light needs to shine on all of this until the cockroaches scatter. This is the INTERNATIONAL standard for ll antiquities. BTW that Dime you are showing. I am very interested in its origins. To make this clear, no dealer should take on consignment or trade in coins where there isn't reasonable evidence that the coins weren't stolen and with reasonable proof. This providence then needs to be recorded, as far back as one can reasonable go. One can obviously not conjure up evidence that doesn't exist, but that doesn't preclude one from attempting to do just that. With slabbed coins, there is really no excuse. The slabber, seller and buyer should all have a track record of the coin. One needs to be confronted that the MAJORITY of coins have been stolen at some point, and that the market is completely insecure because of this. Almost every dealer I know has been robbed, and a vast number of collectors. This KILLS the value of coins and suppresses the market. The only reason more people are not indited for selling stolen property is because cops are lazy and hiring lawyers is more expensive than the coins themselves.[/QUOTE]
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