SLQ Raw on EBay

Discussion in 'US Coins Forum' started by cplradar, Jan 5, 2021.

  1. cplradar

    cplradar Talmud Chuchum

    Dad says your wrong about the O, that it is a die crack that he has seen on a few dozen coins. Also the light was from the top. Actually, I know that because his desk that he used to take the images had an overhead light that he used to take tousands of coin images. Your contribution to this thread is awesome :) There is a video of the coin

    BTW - I will will tell you how we know that the O defect is from a die. We have stopped and searched for this coin of a few years and the breaks in the O are identical in about 20 or so strikes we had found, but the rest of the coin didn't match. This is where you get to incorrectly say I'm completely clueless again, You will still be wrong, but it will make you feel better to say it :)
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  3. TypeCoin971793

    TypeCoin971793 Just a random guy on the internet

    This is post mint damage. The metal has been moved from how it was originally struck. Plus they are indented, which means they cannot be artifacts of the die. Unless you are talking about something else, you are 100% wrong.

  4. TypeCoin971793

    TypeCoin971793 Just a random guy on the internet

    Yes, that is obvious, and that’s why the feathers pop out in your pics. In PCGS’ pics, the lighting is from an angle parallel with the wing feathers in the area you indicate as weakly struck. That is why the definition of the feathers goes away; the light illuminates all areas that would usually be in shadow.
  5. cplradar

    cplradar Talmud Chuchum

    No that is from the die, and the pattern can be found in other examples. Enlarging it and cirlcing it doesn't really change that. Go look at high grade 1917 Type 1s and you will find the exact same breaks.

    As for the popping of the feathers, that is a function of the coin strike. My father was into strong strikes, and if you search for discussions of this coin, you will find that the strong strike was discussed before it was purchased, and after it was aquired and now.

    I am flying out today, so this will be the last post I have on this, so you can enjoy the last word. I am glad you are enjoying this brisk discussion. Here is more images of this coin, which is not a weak strike like the ebay example
    If you ever see it, please contact us.
  6. TypeCoin971793

    TypeCoin971793 Just a random guy on the internet

    Then you are lacking in knowledge on both the physics of striking coins and how to interpret lights and shadows in images.

    It certainly doesn’t change the fact that you are wrong, but the evidence presented in the image does not lie.

    If it was an artifact of the die, then you should expect it to be repeated on multiple specimens. NOT ONE I have ever seen has the repeated hits. There are several similar examples which show that this is a common area for contact marks, but they aren’t exactly the same.

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    I have already proved that this was incorrect based on images of the same coin with slightly different lighting.

    At this point, it appears that there is no convincing you otherwise, but I rest assured that the evidence which I have presented has convinced everyone here that you are wrong.
  7. cplradar

    cplradar Talmud Chuchum

  8. TypeCoin971793

    TypeCoin971793 Just a random guy on the internet

    I am not denying that your coin is well struck. I’m merely saying that the areas which you claim are usually weakly struck appear so only because of an illusion caused by the lighting used to photograph the coins.

    And you are pointing this out because????? As long at the light produces shadows in the ridges of the devices, it will look fully detailed.
  9. ldhair

    ldhair Clean Supporter

    You don't have a clue what you are talking about. You have much to learn.
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  10. cplradar

    cplradar Talmud Chuchum

    I depend on experts, and not just experience. What I wrote is 100% correct.
  11. ldhair

    ldhair Clean Supporter

    We all have opinions. Somewhere in the middle is the truth. Tell your dad Hi for me. I miss him here.
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  12. cplradar

    cplradar Talmud Chuchum

    the internet makes it easy to be rude. We are all guilty of it from time to time. But, in the context of this specific thread, I really tried to do all my homework. :) Hugs and Kisses to all
  13. cplradar

    cplradar Talmud Chuchum

    still for sale
  14. john65999

    john65999 Well-Known Member

    ms-66 fh
  15. john65999

    john65999 Well-Known Member

    says almost 6k for shipping, lol
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  17. imrich

    imrich Supporter! Supporter

    Here is a link to a MS67! What do you find different?

    This coin would probably be your better choice:

    Last edited: Oct 6, 2021
  18. Searcher64

    Searcher64 Member

    I do not like the grainy surface in the pictures. It tells me something is not right. If not in a slab and certified. I would not buy. According to "Market Review of Apr- Jun 1917 T1 in MS67 is $2500. Yes, a full-head would be more.
    Last edited: Oct 6, 2021
  19. cplradar

    cplradar Talmud Chuchum

    not in my budget
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