Sleeper? 1897 S Half Dollar from UK Auction

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  1. 7Jags

    7Jags Well-Known Member

    This gotten just a while ago from the UK:
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    This was graded VF by them with a very low estimate. Several bidders figured out that not only was the grade more than a bit low but that it also had an “S” mint mark. if you look at the edges, rim, and even carefully at the devices would duspecy a grade of what?
    The oxidation at high points on obverse are mainly, I believe, contact oxidation to paper storage. I got an 1872 S half about 6 months ago that they graded “almost EF”
    and then graded 63 at PCG- I don’t think this will go as high.

    PS - photos are off video screen
     
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  3. ToughCOINS

    ToughCOINS Dealer Member Moderator

    If totally original, AU58
     
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  4. 7Jags

    7Jags Well-Known Member

    Yes, that is about my thought. I will post on receipt and also probably get it graded as well. I posted another coin about 6 months ago that was a 1905 O quarter that was not particularly well thought of but then it went "64" at PCGS....Notorious (usually) under graders.
    The best example was now nearly twenty years ago (does that count?) when I got an 1839 GB currency halfcrown that is by far the finest known - they graded EF and it came back MS64 from PCGS and prob. should have been either a point higher or get a plus...
     
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  5. KBBPLL

    KBBPLL Well-Known Member

    Images from a computer monitor are a gamble; I'd say AU55-58 based on the wear seen. Hard to believe they could miss the S mint mark.
     
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  6. 7Jags

    7Jags Well-Known Member

    In hand pictures:

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    In hand not as washed out as photos suggest. I would now slightly upgrade guess to 58.
     
  7. Long Beard

    Long Beard Well-Known Member

    EF, cleaned. Look at the rim and flatness of the dentils.
     
  8. 7Jags

    7Jags Well-Known Member

    Maybe a bit harsh as the milling quite sharp to edges. I am a bit worried about what appears to be a bit of light rub at Liberty’s cheek. The reverse excellent overall.
     
  9. Michael K

    Michael K Well-Known Member

    It must have been cleaned. A straight AU 50 is listed at $1700.
    Agree with EF cleaned. They routinely cleaned these coins 100 years ago,
    or someone cleaned an EF coin and tried to sell it as MS.
    Uncleaned an EF is listed at 1350. IDK how much this is worth. $800?
    Does it weigh correctly (counterfeit?). Is the S "added"? That would explain the lowball price. It looks correct to me, but I am no expert.
     
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