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<p>[QUOTE="brg5658, post: 1284736, member: 29751"]Hi Doug, thanks for your comments. My replies are below:</p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p>As for your argument about "educated" collector prices, your simplistic "wisdom" does not jibe with the reality of the market. For example, are you suggesting that there is no market premium for a 1934-35 Melbourne Centennial Australia Florin in a PCGS MS65 holder than for a raw equivalent coin? If you say yes, then you are simply wrong. There are plenty of "educated" and experienced collectors who would pay a premium for the PCGS coin, unless they are able to view both coins in person. <u>Which is the factor that all of this hinges on -- availability of world coins for <b>in person</b> purchase.</u> There just aren't many sellers, and as such, the added security of having a coin graded by a TPG is worth a premium. The reality is that the supply of world coins is sparse in the US, dealers are few and far between, and if I'm going to spend money on them I prefer to get them <i>authenticated </i>by a TPG and at least know they are not likely cleaned, etc. It isn't an issue of "experience", it is a simple issue of availability and security (I can't travel around the country looking at coins in person -- I have a day job!). </p><p><br /></p><p>In addition, I never said populations were useful, I merely provided the link to where they could be found. Your arguments about populations, updating, etc. are all valid and have been regurgitated enough times that anyone who wasn't "born" to the hobby yesterday already knows them. No one (at least not me nor gbroke) is using world coin pops as a marker of rarity, and this was never implied...except by you.</p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p>Well, I just have to say I disagree with you on this one. Again, it is not an issue of a collector's "knowledge" as you conjecture, but an issue of availability and security. I can not view most world coins I purchase in hand. If I wanted to see all World coins I purchase in hand, I'd have about 2 in my collection. With that being said, the TPG is an additional level of security and reassurance for the buyer (even with the faults mentioned). I still only buy from sellers that allow me to return the coin if I am not pleased. Statistically though, the probability of a return of a raw coin is much higher than for a TPG one, so for rarer issues I usually look for slabbed examples. That is my (and other's) prerogative. Again, I find your insinuation that anyone who buys world coins in slabs is somehow uneducated to be insulting and not based in reality.</p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p>Your points here are good ones. I only ever buy from trusted sellers, who allow returns. I agree with you that there is nothing magical about the slabs. But an across the board writing off of slabbed coins is also silly, as some of the most beautiful examples of particular issues are indeed "entombed" (whether we like it or not).</p><p><br /></p><p>Regards,</p><p>-Brandon[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>
[QUOTE="brg5658, post: 1284736, member: 29751"]Hi Doug, thanks for your comments. My replies are below: As for your argument about "educated" collector prices, your simplistic "wisdom" does not jibe with the reality of the market. For example, are you suggesting that there is no market premium for a 1934-35 Melbourne Centennial Australia Florin in a PCGS MS65 holder than for a raw equivalent coin? If you say yes, then you are simply wrong. There are plenty of "educated" and experienced collectors who would pay a premium for the PCGS coin, unless they are able to view both coins in person. [U]Which is the factor that all of this hinges on -- availability of world coins for [B]in person[/B] purchase.[/U] There just aren't many sellers, and as such, the added security of having a coin graded by a TPG is worth a premium. The reality is that the supply of world coins is sparse in the US, dealers are few and far between, and if I'm going to spend money on them I prefer to get them [I]authenticated [/I]by a TPG and at least know they are not likely cleaned, etc. It isn't an issue of "experience", it is a simple issue of availability and security (I can't travel around the country looking at coins in person -- I have a day job!). In addition, I never said populations were useful, I merely provided the link to where they could be found. Your arguments about populations, updating, etc. are all valid and have been regurgitated enough times that anyone who wasn't "born" to the hobby yesterday already knows them. No one (at least not me nor gbroke) is using world coin pops as a marker of rarity, and this was never implied...except by you. Well, I just have to say I disagree with you on this one. Again, it is not an issue of a collector's "knowledge" as you conjecture, but an issue of availability and security. I can not view most world coins I purchase in hand. If I wanted to see all World coins I purchase in hand, I'd have about 2 in my collection. With that being said, the TPG is an additional level of security and reassurance for the buyer (even with the faults mentioned). I still only buy from sellers that allow me to return the coin if I am not pleased. Statistically though, the probability of a return of a raw coin is much higher than for a TPG one, so for rarer issues I usually look for slabbed examples. That is my (and other's) prerogative. Again, I find your insinuation that anyone who buys world coins in slabs is somehow uneducated to be insulting and not based in reality. Your points here are good ones. I only ever buy from trusted sellers, who allow returns. I agree with you that there is nothing magical about the slabs. But an across the board writing off of slabbed coins is also silly, as some of the most beautiful examples of particular issues are indeed "entombed" (whether we like it or not). Regards, -Brandon[/QUOTE]
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