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<p>[QUOTE="dougsmit, post: 3104115, member: 19463"]You would be making a great mistake to do so. I am one of ten thousand people who have some reasonable experience in some limited areas of ancient coinage. I have not anything approaching the level of general experience that would be needed to fill such a position. For example, in my life I have touched about half a dozen aurei the most recent of which was about twenty years ago. I don't collect them; I don't ask dealers at shows to let me play in their stock. In my life, I have held one dekadrachm of Athens which I was told at the time and now have no reason to doubt was authentic. Why would anyone ask the opinion of such an amateur let alone pay for it? </p><p><br /></p><p>Unlike Barry Murphy who recently showed us a million dollars with of loose change from his desk, my experience is limited to the coins I collect --- the cheap stuff. Considering the cost to slab coins is not terribly much less than the average cost of the coins in my collection, I might be safer to ask about trashy denarii of Septimius Severus than, lets say, those of Didius Julianus. </p><p><br /></p><p>There is another thing that I don't recall seeing mentioned here is what I am sure is a regular occurrence at any TPG. People might be more likely to submit coins they doubt or coins with problems they hope to sneak through and get certified. Am I prepared to sniff out the coins with Bond-o surfaces and tooling and make a call between over cleaned and lightly tooled? Have I memorized every fake posted online like medical students memorize body parts? Do I know the style of the known master forgers well enough that I might sense their next handiwork? I can have an opinion on such things and can walk away from coins about which I had even a slight doubt not worried that I was erring on the side of caution. You can't do this too often when you are in the business. People are aying yo to be right. What is an acceptable level of error by an authenticator of ancient coins? 1% would make you a laughing stock. .01%? That would be one in ten thousand or a mistake every day or two. That would result in a parade of Coin Talk posts entitled "Look what they did now." One in a million? I do not know what I think let alone what you should think. I would love to know how often two graders, both experts in their field, bump heads and disagree on a coin. There will always be room for opinions and changing your opinions when required. Ask the people at the British Museum when that second Domitianus II turned up. "I'm glad we didn't throw the first one in the rubbish bin." </p><p><br /></p><p>I am comfortable with the situation of being less than 100% sure of half a dozen of the coins in my collection. That is one in 500 or so so dangerously close to what I termed 'laughing stock' . If I were selling those coins, I would not offer them to just anyone but only people who knew enough to understand the potential problem. I suggest those of you who aspire being the next grader hired by NGC (or even ANACS???) be serious and ask where you plan to get the required background training. I know I am not on the list (short or long) of people under consideration. We each do the best we can and that is all we can do.</p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p>I agree. Buy a few, post a few and wonder if the coins will receive wide acceptance here. Perhaps someone here will say you need to change your name to 'Johnnie Red' or start buying better coins. <img src="styles/default/xenforo/clear.png" class="mceSmilieSprite mceSmilie2" alt=";)" unselectable="on" unselectable="on" />[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>
[QUOTE="dougsmit, post: 3104115, member: 19463"]You would be making a great mistake to do so. I am one of ten thousand people who have some reasonable experience in some limited areas of ancient coinage. I have not anything approaching the level of general experience that would be needed to fill such a position. For example, in my life I have touched about half a dozen aurei the most recent of which was about twenty years ago. I don't collect them; I don't ask dealers at shows to let me play in their stock. In my life, I have held one dekadrachm of Athens which I was told at the time and now have no reason to doubt was authentic. Why would anyone ask the opinion of such an amateur let alone pay for it? Unlike Barry Murphy who recently showed us a million dollars with of loose change from his desk, my experience is limited to the coins I collect --- the cheap stuff. Considering the cost to slab coins is not terribly much less than the average cost of the coins in my collection, I might be safer to ask about trashy denarii of Septimius Severus than, lets say, those of Didius Julianus. There is another thing that I don't recall seeing mentioned here is what I am sure is a regular occurrence at any TPG. People might be more likely to submit coins they doubt or coins with problems they hope to sneak through and get certified. Am I prepared to sniff out the coins with Bond-o surfaces and tooling and make a call between over cleaned and lightly tooled? Have I memorized every fake posted online like medical students memorize body parts? Do I know the style of the known master forgers well enough that I might sense their next handiwork? I can have an opinion on such things and can walk away from coins about which I had even a slight doubt not worried that I was erring on the side of caution. You can't do this too often when you are in the business. People are aying yo to be right. What is an acceptable level of error by an authenticator of ancient coins? 1% would make you a laughing stock. .01%? That would be one in ten thousand or a mistake every day or two. That would result in a parade of Coin Talk posts entitled "Look what they did now." One in a million? I do not know what I think let alone what you should think. I would love to know how often two graders, both experts in their field, bump heads and disagree on a coin. There will always be room for opinions and changing your opinions when required. Ask the people at the British Museum when that second Domitianus II turned up. "I'm glad we didn't throw the first one in the rubbish bin." I am comfortable with the situation of being less than 100% sure of half a dozen of the coins in my collection. That is one in 500 or so so dangerously close to what I termed 'laughing stock' . If I were selling those coins, I would not offer them to just anyone but only people who knew enough to understand the potential problem. I suggest those of you who aspire being the next grader hired by NGC (or even ANACS???) be serious and ask where you plan to get the required background training. I know I am not on the list (short or long) of people under consideration. We each do the best we can and that is all we can do. I agree. Buy a few, post a few and wonder if the coins will receive wide acceptance here. Perhaps someone here will say you need to change your name to 'Johnnie Red' or start buying better coins. ;)[/QUOTE]
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