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<p>[QUOTE="TIF, post: 3102141, member: 56859"]Yes, but...</p><p><br /></p><p>Look at what it has done to US coin collecting within my lifetime! TPGs now rule the hobby. Just look at this <i>currently featured thread</i>, <a href="https://www.cointalk.com/threads/tpg-rankings-all-imho.317635/" class="internalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://www.cointalk.com/threads/tpg-rankings-all-imho.317635/">https://www.cointalk.com/threads/tpg-rankings-all-imho.317635/</a>. <b>Great Zeus Almighty!</b> The importance of the coin within the holder seems to have taken a back seat to the rarity of the <i>holder</i> or the likelihood of being able to remove the coin from an older holder in order to have it grade higher with a new company or a newer incarnation of an older company!! Collecting US coins looks like more of a commodities game. It's all about grade and resale price.</p><p><br /></p><p>Sure, there is nothing "wrong" with that (as you say, it's <i>your</i> hobby), but imagine if the pushback against slabbing ancient coins softens. How many ancient coin TPGs are there right now? Two? NGC and ANACS? If slabbing ancients becomes more accepted, more companies will appear. The crossover games will begin. Gradeflation becomes the norm. CAC-like companies will try to get in on the game (and one such company has already appeared, although they are viewed as a joke... so far). Who benefits from this? Not me, as a collector who is focused on collecting rather than potential profit from flipping or selling.</p><p><br /></p><p>Heritage is leading the charge with the push for slabbing ancients. What a clever marketing ploy, and one that seems to be working well for them <img src="styles/default/xenforo/clear.png" class="mceSmilieSprite mceSmilie3" alt=":(" unselectable="on" unselectable="on" />. As a leader in the US coin market they have a a massive clientele, most conditioned to buy slabbed coins and to strive for the highest possible grade. Prices for carbon-copy modern coins reach astonishing prices based on minute differences on the label of a plastic slab. Those customers are being lured to dabble in ancient coins because of HA's slabbing ploy. The new-to-ancients customer doesn't have to bothered with to learn anything about the coin or the hobby, just see what the label says <img src="styles/default/xenforo/clear.png" class="mceSmilieSprite mceSmilie11" alt=":rolleyes:" unselectable="on" unselectable="on" />.</p><p><br /></p><p>What grade doesn't say about ancients is whether the coin is visually appealing. Sometimes an NGC slab may have extra verbiage such as "fine style" but from what I see, the grade still trumps all when that slab sells. NGC also does try to give extra information about coin quality with their strike and surface ratings (although only on higher-tier slabs), but even that doesn't adequately describe the individually struck coin within.</p><p><br /></p><p>I sincerely hope that "registry sets" don't become a thing in our ancient coin hobby. Just imagine how prices and slabbing games will escalate if it does.</p><p><br /></p><p>I could go on all day but this probably isn't a great way to begin a peaceful weekend so I'll stop here.[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>
[QUOTE="TIF, post: 3102141, member: 56859"]Yes, but... Look at what it has done to US coin collecting within my lifetime! TPGs now rule the hobby. Just look at this [I]currently featured thread[/I], [url]https://www.cointalk.com/threads/tpg-rankings-all-imho.317635/[/url]. [B]Great Zeus Almighty![/B] The importance of the coin within the holder seems to have taken a back seat to the rarity of the [I]holder[/I] or the likelihood of being able to remove the coin from an older holder in order to have it grade higher with a new company or a newer incarnation of an older company!! Collecting US coins looks like more of a commodities game. It's all about grade and resale price. Sure, there is nothing "wrong" with that (as you say, it's [I]your[/I] hobby), but imagine if the pushback against slabbing ancient coins softens. How many ancient coin TPGs are there right now? Two? NGC and ANACS? If slabbing ancients becomes more accepted, more companies will appear. The crossover games will begin. Gradeflation becomes the norm. CAC-like companies will try to get in on the game (and one such company has already appeared, although they are viewed as a joke... so far). Who benefits from this? Not me, as a collector who is focused on collecting rather than potential profit from flipping or selling. Heritage is leading the charge with the push for slabbing ancients. What a clever marketing ploy, and one that seems to be working well for them :(. As a leader in the US coin market they have a a massive clientele, most conditioned to buy slabbed coins and to strive for the highest possible grade. Prices for carbon-copy modern coins reach astonishing prices based on minute differences on the label of a plastic slab. Those customers are being lured to dabble in ancient coins because of HA's slabbing ploy. The new-to-ancients customer doesn't have to bothered with to learn anything about the coin or the hobby, just see what the label says :rolleyes:. What grade doesn't say about ancients is whether the coin is visually appealing. Sometimes an NGC slab may have extra verbiage such as "fine style" but from what I see, the grade still trumps all when that slab sells. NGC also does try to give extra information about coin quality with their strike and surface ratings (although only on higher-tier slabs), but even that doesn't adequately describe the individually struck coin within. I sincerely hope that "registry sets" don't become a thing in our ancient coin hobby. Just imagine how prices and slabbing games will escalate if it does. I could go on all day but this probably isn't a great way to begin a peaceful weekend so I'll stop here.[/QUOTE]
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