Silver Round with Perched Eagle Reverse

Now that's just danged funny.......

Why the devil ain't you guys laughing...........

 

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It sounds like DC is being accused of insulting the work of others, but the only insults I see are being thrown at him. The accusations against Carr seem to go back and forth from illegal practices to unoriginal designs to his unjust criticism of others' work, all in the typical self-righteous and bitter manner I've seen before by Books. Sometimes he admits the quality of DC's work, other times he ignores Carr's responses, but in any case his MO is negativity and to persist in his attacks and judgements against Carr and anyone else with a different opinion. I don't currently own any of Carr's pieces or plan on getting any soon, but I understand the allure of his work and the occasional criticism against some of it (great works have their detractors). Carr merely voiced his opinion on the work of some other pieces - perhaps others could show the same level of respect towards Carr and refrain from endless tirades of judgement, accusation, and cynicism.

 

I strike over an existing coin. I'm not making a new coin. I'm altering an existing coin.

Now, for your Vermeer example -
If you took a photograph of it, and then modified that photo and then printed it over the original Vermeer painting, then there would be nothing wrong with marketing it as a "BB4C edition" of a Vermeer painting.

Your claimed scenario of printing the photo on blank paper and selling multiple copies is vastly incomparable to printing or stamping over an existing genuine item.

 

Funny indeed. But maybe there aren't too many readers of this topic left.

 

The characteristics which differentiate my fantasy-date over-strikes from Chinese pieces DO make a difference. That is my opinion. Your opinion is that these characteristics do not make any difference. But that opinion is not substantiated by any evidence.

To substantiate my opinion, I DO HAVE ACTUAL EVIDENCE. And that evidence is what these things sell for in resale markets like eBay.

Try searching for "1964 Peace" in the eBay Coins & Paper Money category (sold items).
During the last two months, the Chinese pieces realized prices ranging from $5 to $77 each, with the median price being about $25 each.

In contrast, the ones I produced sold for $237 to about $600, with the median price being about $400 each. Note that all six such listings actually sold and none went unsold.

And this is not an isolated situation. It is perpetually this way.

You can argue all you want, but multiple bidders do not agree with you.

 

First, did I say anything about "selling multiple copies"? No, so why are we spinning again? Oh, that's right.... It's what you do.

The original comparison was perfectly reasonable, but while it's okay for you to make ridiculous comparisons to Warhol, soup cans, supercharged Corvettes, painted Mustangs, etc, things have have absolutely NOTHING to do with the issue at hand, any teeny tiny differences in examples presented to you are unacceptable. This is the entire reason why I changed it, so baby wouldn't cry, yet here you are. When it is something or someone else, the smallest of details matter, but when you they're dismissed with petty idiocy, yet you wonder why I believe you to be a hypocrite.

The example of "tribute proofs" using cheap clads instead of whatever pot metal presently used was also a perfectly valid comparison, and by your own logic, if produced this way they wouldn't need the "COPY" marking, but then it'll be one lame and meaningless excuse or another as to why yours should be acceptable while everyone else's shouldn't be. It's all selfish justification, sir, and that's all it's ever been. Your comment on the legality of the Gallery Mint's dies while later claiming your own to be perfectly fine should be enough for any objective individual to question both your position and motives. Someone uses a few of your words and off to eBay you run a whining, but using photos, ahem, "sent" to or "found" by you, well, that's okay. Oh, but that's right... after I initially called you on this it only took, what, a week for you to "remember" that you were supposedly given permission but oh so conveniently lost or misplaced it? You hide behind laws that benefit you, but dismiss those that don't. If everything was as clear-cut and rosy as you claim, there would have been no reason for your post to the FTC website, but the fact you found it necessary is just more evidence/proof that you know you're skirting the law, and not for "art" as you often claim but for personal benefit. If someone else started doing the EXACT same thing as you, I'd be stunned if you didn't come up with something, some way to knock them while pretending you're somehow special and deserve a pass no one else does. You call other "fantasy" pieces "fakes" or "counterfeit", which in itself implies that yours are anything but; it's all BS.

 

Dan's writings read like either ones from a man with a lawyer in the family who is spoiling to take on this fight, or who has someone on a retainer who wants this legal fight to build a name for himself. I DON'T see Dan as a man who feels he has anything to fear from litigation. I offer him one rejoinder, as a friend: people at the U.S. Attorney's office in Denver have been known to turn over from time to time. You may run into some freshly scrubbed newb with a shiny new J.D. degree whose opinion varies from that of the current staff.

 

Priced paid DO NOT CHANGE what something is; all it does it prove some like and are willing to pay up for them. There are literally countless examples where people buy and/or pay premiums for something in spite of what it actually is. The Chinese copies are produced due to American demand and not for direct from the manufacturer resale. They don't produce them to directly cater to the collector market, and this is the difference. They don't use gimmicks, artificial mintages, fluffery, deflection, BS, and so on; they are what they are, but in their very essence what they are is the same damn thing. Both are copies of the work of talented others and is as simple as that. Again, your greatest notoriety is due not to your often-debatable "original" designs but copying. If this pays the bills are helps bring in business, all the power to you. Again, I've always respected your entrepreneurial spirit, but whatever brilliance you possess is in marketing, not God-given talent. All your "ACTUAL EVIDENCE" proves is that there is a demand and some are willing to pay up; nothing more or less.

 

I've ALWAYS given credit to him for the "quality" of his work, sir. I would also much appreciate, since you made the accusation, if you would show me where I've "ignored Mr. Carr's responses". Like it or not, what keeps this going is the fact that I always make the effort to respond to him and refuse to buy into deflective nonsense.

If you consider common sense, believing the double standard to be wrong, or the perfectly reasonable questioning of the legality of his copies, etc to be "negative" or "self-righteous" you're seeing only what you want to and, if I recall correctly, is pretty much par for the course with you. That said, I expect never to see you voice your opinion or disagree with ANYONE else on this discussion board as you seem to consider such to be an "attack". Do practice what you preach, dear sir...

 

The only opinion that ultimately matters is that of the Judge and/or Jury.

 

Amen, brother. But we're on a coin forum, with people with quaint anachronistic notions - like there's some sort of "fact" outside of that realm.

 

You continue to claim that there is no difference between my fantasy-date over-strikes and Chinese pieces. But then you contradict yourself and point out that there IS a difference (like name recognition, demand, and realized prices, for examples). Now THAT is the actual double-standard that we are dealing with here.

"Me thinks thou doth protest too much."

 

Think I'll order myself up a dime or something.

 

I'm not known on here for for going on and on with a negative opinion about someone - you are. I'm not sitting here in judgement of others, saying to the effect "I'd expect more from you" and so on. You've said all this before in at least one other forum. Go ahead, say it again here, then move on. I'm not one for tirades, and my attention will go to more worthy persons, so I'll set you back to ignore. Thank you sir

 

The next time I see you sit in judgement of others, something or which you and every one of us are guilty of, it'll be my pleasure to point it out regardless of if you see it or not.

I've always found the need some have here to announce their ignore choices to be quite interesting. Shall I pretend to be heartbroken?
Good riddance.

 

My lord.... I know you're capable of both seeing and understanding the difference here, but expecting you to acknowledge that is surely something I'll not live to see. What people CHOOSE to see something as has no bearing on what it actually is. The Carvel example given earlier is a fine example of this, but I suppose you'll argue that even though some of it comes off the same line as generic store brands, it's really something special because some pay for the fluff, packaging, and name.

 

I've only ever used "Ignore" once. Remember the "strong hands" screaming silver bullion guy? Yeah, him. Two things for everyone else - 1) I find I learn more from people with whom I strongly disagree, and 2) I guess, well, I just thrive on the cheap adrenaline high.

 

I never heard of that guy. Sounds wonderful. I only have one ignored person at this point, so I'm not a big user of it, but I am grateful for it.

 

So what you are saying is, anyone with an opinion different than yours is incapable of understanding.

 

But but but they just have to be right because they know the law better then the prosecutors and everyone else......

Funny all these rants about hypocrisy yet they would be crying the loudest as soon as their guilty until proven innocent was turned around on them or something they really care about. With the amount of effort some of them put into their endless rants they could have gone to law school and applied for a prosecution position to try and make a case themselves.