Silver Eagle Reverse... What is this????

Discussion in 'US Coins Forum' started by DysfunctionalVeteran, Sep 8, 2016.

  1. Insider

    Insider Talent on loan from...

    I HAVE NOT PROVEN ANYTHING (except it is difficult and expensive) AND NEITHER HAVE YOU (because you don't wish to take the time or expense to try). :(

    While it may be expensive and your boss may not approve, there is nothing illegal about you taking a die of an object such as a small machine part with letters or numbers and producing an image of it struck through a piece of cardboard (raised on one side and incuse /opposite on the other) so as not to damage anything. :yawn:

    Who's next? :D:nailbiting:
     
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  3. heavycam.monstervam

    heavycam.monstervam Outlaw Trucker & Coin Hillbilly

    I'm w insider on this, we can all speculate and say:ITS EASY, but until someone actually produces one, I'm in the camp, that it's a mint made error, and not something that can be produced at the drop of a dime....or , in this case, at the drop of a disk
     
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  4. Insider

    Insider Talent on loan from...

    We just don't know what mint.;)
     
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  5. ldhair

    ldhair Clean Supporter

    If a person has the right equipment it is easy. If you don't, it's not easy.
     
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  6. -jeffB

    -jeffB Greshams LEO Supporter

    Man, if I had a dime for every time I... er, never mind.
     
  7. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator

    Guess that would be me because apparently nobody else can "think".

    You see, there's companies out there that make what you need for not very much money, starting at under $30. They make custom seal stamps similar to this one -
    http://www.discountrubberstamps.com...BOSSER - 199&gclid=CNK57oHyjs8CFYtbhgodKtkCqA

    You provide the design, they make the machine. And once you have it, you can make as many of those as you want - right at home. And even if it cost you $100, which I seriously doubt it would, that's not what I call expensive. And it is easily within the abilities of some organization, or even a private company, to do such a thing for kids at a coin show.
     
  8. Insider

    Insider Talent on loan from...

    You are correct; :rolleyes: however, here is the deal. I don't know how much tonnage is needed to raise the design on one side and sink the design on the other. Let's say the machine you link can do the job. YOU STILL :yawn:NEED A SILVER EAGLE DIE and a SE coin to make the piece in the PCGS slab. That die can be a counterfeit in a machine shop or genuine at the Mint. BUT YOU NEED A DIE. :facepalm: :banghead::banghead::banghead::banghead::bigtears:

    Now for those who wish to try: Pound the reverse of a silver eagle into some softer metal or make a mold. Take a piece of wet cardboard and lay it on your "die" and set the SE coin (correctly registered with the die would look best) and squeeze the two together. Let the piece dry out while still in the vice. You've done it! Only that piece of junk is not a sanding disk which can only fill the die with more pressure that you used AND your piece will still not look as nice as the PCGS piece or have decent relief.

    While I don't believe the PCGS or the OP's piece happened by accident - Give it up! :yack::yack::yack: :wacky:
     
  9. Conder101

    Conder101 Numismatist

    You do NOT need a die to make them. In EAC years ago we used to make things called pressings. Now we used metal foil but with a stronger press I'm sure you could do the same thing with these sandpaper discs. We used desk type notary presses where the seals had been replaced with medium hardness rubber disks. you would put the coin and the foil in between the rubber disks and press down the lever. The rubber molded itself to the shape of the coin and the result was a metal shell that showed a detailed image of the coin, incuse on one side and raised on the other. Now those notary presses probably didn't produce more than a few hundred pounds of pressure. With a 12 ton bottle jack or a 30 ton shop press I bet it would do a fine job on a sheet of sandpaper.
     
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  10. Insider

    Insider Talent on loan from...

    I've bought five antique Notary Seals ever since I read about the method you described decades ago. Only converted one to press coins.

    So, why don't you make us a Silver Eagle on a sanding disk? :oops::facepalm: You'll probably need to get a seal press THE SIZE OF a foreign country's great seal! Good luck.:D
     
  11. Tater

    Tater Coin Collector


    Off to Harbor Freight I go.
     
  12. Hommer

    Hommer Curator of Semi Precious Coinage

    Nails, now sand paper. When will they "discover" the rest of the carpenter? Next up sawblades?
     
  13. Conder101

    Conder101 Numismatist

    Don't need a seal press, I've got a thirty ton hydraulic shop press in the back room. I'd just need to come up with some suitable rubber matting.
     
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  14. SuperDave

    SuperDave Free the Cartwheels!

    If it were me, I'd cover a donor coin with Saran Wrap, wax paper or maybe teflon grease, and set it face down into a mold of liquid JB Weld. When the epoxy dried, I'd then have a perfect die which, in conjunction with a urethane dead blow sledge and a hard rubber mat (maybe in a sandwich with the original coin), would produce as many of these as I wanted. Break a "die?" No biggie; pour another one.
     
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  15. DysfunctionalVeteran

    DysfunctionalVeteran Oddly enough

    Off to PCGS it goes... When the dealer gets around to it. No complaints from me since he could have said no.


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