Silver Eagle Reverse... What is this????

........ Not in my living room ..... not unless I want to sleep there too .....

Wouldn't you need a pair of incuse, reversed-image dies to get proper raised devices on both sides (i.e. not incuse) as in the known, slabbed discs? Or, in the case of the brockage disc in the original post, only one incuse die would be needed and an ASE would be used to produce the incuse side of the disc. Dies could be made fairly easily by casting plastic or low-melting-point metal (e.g. lead, tin, zinc, aluminum) around an ASE. They might do the trick for average show-goers, but I'd like to see a TPG expert evaluate the OP's disc.

It would take a mint employee just a few minutes to turn-out fistfuls of these discs ... either the kind with raised devices on both sides or brockage discs.

Cal

 

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Is the process from minting to packaging ASEs completely automated, or are the coins handled by a person. The coins fit rather snug into the rolls, so I can't see this happening at the mint unless it is automated. A person would almost certainly notice this.

 

Where are the rest of them then? There must be thousands if that's the case.

I'm not arguing since it's plausible, I was just a 12 y/o kid. I really wish I remembered the details because my parents don't recall me even getting it.

I do know I was lucky enough to get to work as a "runner" getting food and drinks for the dealers working their tables. The disc could have even been a gift from one of them, I really don't know.

 

To strike an image on a sanding disk of the type shown by the OP, a high-speed, high-powered press wouldn't be needed. A reverse die, an ASE, and a vise or mallet would do it. It could be done in the die prep area of the mint or, as per Doug, by a do-it-yourselfer making a reverse die from an ASE by casting or impressioning.

I have some plastic casting experience and might try it as an experiment. Would this be a violation of counterfeiting laws?

Cal

 

Of course! You could capsize the entire sandpaper-disk economy.

 

The process at the mint for them at this point is automated. All the videos basically show the only human interaction with them being stacking the sealed monster boxes onto a pallet. Even when humans filled the rolls it's still possible to mindlessly stack one in. They make millions they weren't hand checking billion coins and like every other company sometimes things end up in products that shouldn't be there.

As far as making one yourself could you, maybe. Without the force of the press though I bet the details won't be as sharp and will have a mushy look

 

You guys sound like you're desperate for something to collect..........

 

I have a laser scanner, CNC engraver and an 80 ton press at my work. I could get it done, but that's a bit too much effort to damage a perfectly good piece of sandpaper.

 

Okay so you maybe could, doesn't mean it'd be slabbed. Either way it is what it is, you either appreciate and enjoy all of the various aspects and pieces of the minting process or you don't. There is no right or wrong answer

 

I don't believe that. Perhaps you can show us one you had made using any method you wish.

So far, mint made and smuggled out or man made with counterfeit dies seems more reasonable to me. We have already seen fake silver eagles on the market a while back. Anyway, if these start turning up more I believe PCGS is going to eat them!

 

Let's get down to business then...please try to make one. It sounds like you can. Then send it to PCGS, tell them how you did it and advise them that they my wish to examine some of the disc's they've slabbed.

That goes for all of you. Enough speculation about how you can do this or that with a hammer and some fairy dust. Let's see something besides "cheap talk."

 

I realize this is America, and we can screw up things that few others can, but for them to be paying no attention at all when setting up the initial die state and production settings, is kind of farfetched. There is nothing about this whole charade which isn't hilarious to me, especially the part where PCGS assigned a piece of sandpaper a righteous grade.

"I don't see any wear on the grit under the microscope, Tom. It's Mint State!"

 

I do not need to explain anything dealing with how, where or why these things exist. Sanding disc's have been slabbed by PCGS as genuine "errors." I find it hard to believe; however, it is possible that they were made at some factory/mint with SE dies and a press. I'll bet the Moonlight Mint could produce one that should pass a TPGS but his dies would come very close to counterfeiting.

Many claim this "error" can be replicated at home or at work. I say "put up or shut up." If it cannot be done by the "theorists" here, we'll be closer to the truth of what they are.

 

I didn't think a piece of paper would cause such an uproar. The MS number is a bit extreme though and should have been thought out further.

"Genuine, Genuine +, ++, +++ would be better descriptors to use in any further discs slabbed. Just my opinion though.

 

Edit.
I don't wish to part of this thread.

 

Don't know. I guess the submitter didn't want to pay for variety attribution.
Cal

 

With the same equipment I can reproduce just about any coin that I can scan, but that doesn't mean that I ever intended to do it. I'll pass on making one to send it to PCGS.

 

Yeah, yeah, and elephants can fly too! Still all talk and NO ACTION from anyone here guys.

I wish you (or others) would educate all of us by making one of these, posting large images, and telling us how you made it. This is NUMISMATICS at its roots. Then, destroy the thing if you don't wish to involve PCGS but at least someone there will see this thread (if they have not already ).