Sicilian denaro with a fleur-de-lis

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  1. marchal steel

    marchal steel Member

    Thanks Donna-
    I'll get the hang of this sooner or later--- hopefully much sooner.
    Hopefully you saw the pix; I'll try and upload again.
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  3. marchal steel

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    I see that once I insert a pic that I cannot write anymore, so I'll have to think about how I post/send things for everyone.
    Sorry for any confusion or protocol lapses...

    Marchal
     
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  4. Kentucky

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    No problem, but after you insert a picture, the return (or enter) key brings you to the line below it.
    woodie Indian front.jpg

    Just like this.
     
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  5. marchal steel

    marchal steel Member

    Thanks Kentucky...
     
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  6. marchal steel

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    Now I'll try and get both sides of the coin instead of two pics of the same side... 9F8449B5-E603-4FAF-A42A-2F0C1C775E80.jpeg BF54B755-6F58-441F-B134-605B99783E37.jpeg
    And voila... the spacebar does the trick! Again, thanks Kentucky...
    Marchal

    Donna and Fitz--- I hope this post here is worthy of your attention. Appreciate the help, y'all.
     
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  7. +VGO.DVCKS

    +VGO.DVCKS Well-Known Member

    @marchal steel, I went through All of this. And still have to keep my wits about me when figuring out how to toggle between pictures and text, like @Kentucky said. As I keep telling myself, just remember, there's literacy, and Then there's computer literacy. ...Like all websites of this nature, this one Does have its own subset of idiosyncracies. How programming is done, I guess. (Imojee for 'shrug; what do I know?')
    ...Meanwhile, shoutout to @seth77: Can You Help with this?
     
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  8. seth77

    seth77 Well-Known Member

    I think I can. It's a denaro gherardino of Naples, possibly of Charles II or Robert d'Anjou. Hard to be 100% certain in this condition.
     
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  9. marchal steel

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    Hi Seth-
    Many thanks for your help. With being from "Bella Napoli" then it's not Sicilian--- I think they were somewhat apart then?
    To tell the truth, this coin is one of the best of the 5 I picked up. I liked the cross and the French flower.
     
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  10. marchal steel

    marchal steel Member

    Thanks again, Seth...
     
  11. marchal steel

    marchal steel Member

    Okay-
    Not to pester everyone but with everyone's help I was able to find an exact match at an old London Ancient Coins, LTD. auction. According to the coin bio it is a denaro gherardino BI from Naples with Charles II as ruler.

    You nailed it Seth!
     
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  12. +VGO.DVCKS

    +VGO.DVCKS Well-Known Member

    Once again, @seth77 knows orders of magnitude more about the historical context than I do, but Naples had been associated with Sicily back to the 12th c., after the Normans conquered Apulia, Calabria, and Salerno, along with Sicily itself. Because of the combination of mainland and island, it was known as 'The Kingdom of the Two Sicilies.' As he noted, the fleur de lis refers to the current ruling dynasty, founded by a younger ('cadet') member of the French royal one (...'d'Anjou').
     
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  13. DarkRage666

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    I love that woodie!
     
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  14. seth77

    seth77 Well-Known Member

    Well, the Angevins still styled themselves as kings of Sicily after losing the island in the aftermath of the "vespri siciliani" but their headquarters was from 1282 onward Naples -- "il Regno" remained a domain of the Angevins until 1442.
     
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  15. +VGO.DVCKS

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    Thanks for the elucidation, @seth77. (...See? After the mid-13th century, I'm treading water!)
     
  16. marchal steel

    marchal steel Member

    Geez people-
    I feel like I've got to read 4 or 5 volumes just to get permission to post a question after reading what y'all have posted. Well, I'll get started... and it's good reading what everyone is saying. BTW Vgo--- I'm treading water up and down the millenia!
    Thanks people!
     
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  17. +VGO.DVCKS

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    No, @marchal steel, Please Don't go down that rabbit-hole!!! It's more about knowing that in any given context, someone is Going to know Something that you didn't. ...And, often enough, that can amount to them knowing 'more' than you, in a substantive sense. But these are the people who like innately intelligent questions. For one thing, they've Been there. Fear Not!!!
     
  18. marchal steel

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    understood ducks... and thanks.
     
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