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Discussion in 'Ancient Coins' started by Justin Lee, Jul 6, 2018.

  1. zumbly

    zumbly Ha'ina 'ia mai ana ka puana

    I don’t have Carson, Hill and Kent’s Late Roman Bronze Coinage, but in my mind LRBCs have always meant sole reign of Constantine onwards.
     
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  3. Victor_Clark

    Victor_Clark all my best friends are dead Romans Dealer

    The "textbook" answer is A.D. 294, the date that Diocletian introduced the follis. I include earlier coins though, it all depends on whether you want to paint with a small brush (narrow definition) or a large brush (broad definition).
     
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  4. Justin Lee

    Justin Lee I learn by doing

    Good call out... for me, mentally I start labeling them Late Roman after the mid-200's AD, so 250-260+. I'm no expert and that's just my own mental model of how I think about it.
     
  5. dougsmit

    dougsmit Member

    Whether or not you are weird has noting to do with it. Your system is workable but I prefer mine (of course - or I would change it). I keep Provincials in a separate box from Imperials. That means the last Provincials (Alexandria tets of the tetrarchs) are at the end of the Provincial box but the Imperials of the tetrarchs, including their pre-reform issues, are at the start of the late Roman box. That makes Carinus the end of early Roman Imperials.

    Part of me would like to follow RIC and break with the reform. That would move the tetrarchs pre-reforms and all of Carausius and Allectus out of Late Roman but I prefer having all my Diocletians in one box. I don't have a Domitius so he can not live where ever he chooses. :shame:
     
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  6. lordmarcovan

    lordmarcovan Eclectic & Eccentric Moderator

    I like your new avatar!

    I don't have any LRBs anymore, but here are some from my first foray into Roman coins.

    These two were a couple of my favorite inexpensive pieces.

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  7. Severus Alexander

    Severus Alexander find me at NumisForums

    I go with the textbook. In that spirit, here are my earliest and latest lrb's:

    Galerius as Caesar, follis, Alexandria, 295-6. (I have two others of the same date, but they have silvering. Seemed better to choose one without!) Issued under Domitius Domitianus.
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    Anastasius (491-518), pre-reform nummus, issued 491-498:
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    I need to improve my earlier bookend with a follis issued in 294.
     
  8. Curtisimo

    Curtisimo the Great(ish)

    Fun thread @Justin Lee . I will share my Constantine II GLORIA EXERCITVS type from the Siscia mint. I bought this coin while in Israel from a dealer in the old city of Jerusalem. I overpaid, but in hindsight I would rather have this than any of the other tourist souvenirs I might have bought in its place.

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    Roman Empire
    Constantine II as Caesar (AD 317 - 337)
    AE Follis, Siscia mint, struck ca. AD 330 - 333
    Obv.: CONSTANTINVS IVN NOB C. Laureate, cuirassed bust right.
    Rev.: GLOR-IA EXERC-ITVS. Two soldiers standing, facing each other with spear in outer hand, inner hand on shield resting on ground; two standards between.
    Ref.: RIC VII 220 (Siscia)
     
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  9. dougsmit

    dougsmit Member

    That is a great obverse!
     
  10. Severus Alexander

    Severus Alexander find me at NumisForums

    Thanks, Doug! Yeah, these are tough little guys, especially with any legend to speak of. I wish I understood them better. There are issues with long form legends and well-engraved wreaths, others where the obverse is clearly anepigraphic and the wreath like mine (circle or dotted circle), and then those like mine with partial legends. Sear says Antioch issues typically have partial legends, but he also says they have an exergual mint mark (also Nicomedia). I'm not sure I've ever seen one with a mint mark... have you? Most dealers seem to attribute all of these to Constantinople, but I doubt that's correct. Plus there are Vandal issues to complicate things further. :confused:

    If anyone can shed some light on all this I'd be most grateful!
     
  11. arashpour

    arashpour Well-Known Member

    Nice LRBs everyone! Here is mine from Constantine great ex ihnasayah hoard Egypt 1905

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  12. Victor_Clark

    Victor_Clark all my best friends are dead Romans Dealer

    That same textbook would say Anastasius is not Late Roman, but more properly Byzantine. Even "Catalogue of Late Roman Coins in the Dumbarton Oaks Collection and in the Whittemore Collection From Arcadius and Honorius to the Accession of Anastasius", which has what most would call some early byzantine, stops at Anastasius.


    Anastasius is also not included in RIC X
     
  13. Severus Alexander

    Severus Alexander find me at NumisForums

    Most of Anastasius's output is properly called Byzantine, sure. But that Dumbarton Oaks catalogue does discuss the pre-reform nummi of Anastasius in the introduction; maybe that's why they mention him in the title. :) If a nummus of Leo counts as an lrb, than so should a pre-reform nummus of Anastasius. Any other line in the vicinity would be completely arbitrary!
     
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  14. Severus Alexander

    Severus Alexander find me at NumisForums

    P.S. Sear includes pre-reform Anastasius in Roman Coins and their Values. ;)
     
  15. TIF

    TIF Always learning.

    Interesting discussion about what is and isn't a late Roman bronze. I hadn't given it much thought and vaguely assumed it meant anything from Constantine I onward.

    @Justin Lee, nice bunch of commemoratives! I also like your phoenix and your Arcadius AE4.

    @Orfew, wow-- that ex-Dattari Dafne is spectacular!

    @randygeki-- fantastic job photographing that black patina Victory On Prow, and great coin! Your FH parade is of course top notch too :)

    @jamesicus-- nice array

    Good job everyone :)

    I have a bunch of mostly unremarkable LRBs from large mixed lots and "uncleaned" batches but here are a couple of purposefully purchased examples.

    Commemorative issue showing a bridge-- generally listed as the historic Milvian bridge although that may be wishful thinking:
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    Commemorative Series under Constantine I
    330 CE; Æ 14.5 mm, 1.16 gm
    Constantinople mint, 1st officina
    Obv: POP ROMANVS; draped bust of Genius left, with cornucopia over shoulder
    Rev: Milvian Bridge over Tiber River; CONS//A
    Ref: RIC VIII 21; LRBC 1066; Vagi 3043
    ex E.E. Clain-Stefanelli collection
    Celebrating the Site of Constantine I's Vision and Victory

    A campgate purchased because of its vintage Sear certificate:

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    Constantine I follis, /campgate; RIC VII Trier 449

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  16. zumbly

    zumbly Ha'ina 'ia mai ana ka puana

    Really jealous of that Milvian Bridge, @TIF.

    This was bought some time ago, but I haven't posted it before. Probably my nicest Constantine I.

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    CONSTANTINE I
    AE3. 3.4g, 21.3mm. Constantinople, AD 327-328. RIC VII Constantinople 22 (R3). O: CONSTANTI-NVS MAX AVG, rosette-diademed head right. R: GLORIA EXERCITVS, soldier standing left, looking right, holding spear and resting hand on shield; Γ in left field, CONS in exergue.
     
  17. gogili1977

    gogili1977 Well-Known Member

    Nice coins all. My latest two bronzes.
    Constantinus I the Great AD 306-337. Heraclea Follis Æ 19mm., 3,1g. Obv. CONSTANTINVS MAX AVG, draped and cuirassed bust right in ladder-shaped diadem. Rev. DN CONSTANTINI MAX AVG around VOT XXX within wreath; *SMHГ. RIC 93.
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    Constantinus II AD 337-340. Antioch Follis Æ 15mm., 2g. Obv. CONSTANTINVS AVG, laureate, draped, and cuirassed bust right. Rev. GLORIA EXERCITVS, two soldiers holding spears and shields with one standard between them, O on banner. SMANE. RIC 40.
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  18. TIF

    TIF Always learning.

    The words "artistic" and LRB don't often go together but in this case they do-- and what a great strike! Full dotted borders on both sides too. Wonderful!
     
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  19. dougsmit

    dougsmit Member

    No. I'd feel special if I had a letter of legend. Mine is quite thick.
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  20. hmamla

    hmamla New Member

    yes , i have
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  21. Al.cofribas

    Al.cofribas Member

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    If you have similar coins please share!
    Or if you have more info on one, share that too!
    Or if I have messed up the IDing, feel free to correct me!
    Thanks!!


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    Good evening, for my first try , here's an interesting LRBC :droid:;)

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    Ae3 Rome 3,00 g - 18 mm
    A/ VRBS – ROMA
    , buste casqué de Rome revêtue du manteau impérial à gauche,
    R/ Louve allaitant Romulus et Remus, 2 étoiles au-dessus, autre étoile entre les étoiles, SCONST à l’exergue – Arles – 330 – Ferrando 789 – Ferrando II 957 (C1) – not in RIC
     
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