show us your ancient fourre

Bing, I knew you were heavy into the RR's, but I didn't realize you had any fourees in your collection. Here's one of mine...



Roman Republic, Pub. Crepusius, 82 BC, bronze core, Fouree Denarius, Obv: Laureate head of Apollo right, Rev: Horseman right wielding spear. (3.2 g, 16 mm, F)

Only the bronze core left, but I thought it was an attractive coin, especially the bust. Do you think some of the moneyers may have been counterfeiting their own coins? After all, they had all the skills and technology to pull it off, should they have fallen into an unscrupulous mood...

 

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Ahhh, I'm getting old and I forget some things. But how is your brother these days. Tell him I miss him on the forum

 

Bing ... are you talkin' 'bout Oxos (Eng's bro) ... or does JA have a brother too?​

 

Yeah, Eng's brother

 

yeah, I really miss that dude too ... he was a good ol' soul from that last coin site, eh? (*sigh*)

=> Bing, I must admit that I've e-mailed jbuck and trash-talked his NHL team (but that is all of the contact that I've had with those "fun lovin'dudes")

 

I've only had contact with the guys that come over here once in a while. I miss the bunch, but not the uptight mods

 

jw and Steve, my older bro is doing really good, built a website we went on a trip together this summer. We should be going fishing in Oct.i'll send you his web link..
Last yrs fishing trip..im the dummy on the left, but i have the larger fish..

 

Here's one I had forgotten about.

Barbarous Fouree Severus Alexander denarius Based on MARS VLTOR
Obv:– IMP SVE AL[...] AVG, Laureate head right
Rev:– MARS VLTOR, Mars advancing right, holding a spear and shield

 

I was mainly talking about the official counterfits that the roman goverment put out to decieve the public how does one tell the difference

 

ahahah ... brutal!!

=> Eng => I've seen that photo for the last few years, so now I'm kinda thinkin' that you dudes are both 500 pounds and livin' on Cheetohs!!? (which is fine, I guess?)

... oh, and I'm just kinda joking, but I do hope that everything is cool and that things are great with both of you west-ish, gnarly comrades!!

=> cheers, Halibut!!

 

Septimius Severus Barbarous Fouree denarius
Obv:- SEVERVS PIVS AVG, Laureate head right
Rev:- MINERV SANCT, Minerva standing left holding shield and inverted spear
Fouree with barbarous style using a reverse type not used in Rome for this emperor

 

Mainstream scholars deny the existence of official fourrees for all Roman periods. There are some of us radicals that allow the possibility that some fourrees might have been produced in the mint or by mint workers 'moonlighting' but this can neither be proved or disproved. Certainly the vast majority of plated coins can be shown to be unofficial by style. The difference in opinion is that some of us are unwilling to say 'all' just because we have not found absolute proof that every specimen is 'bad'. If a plated coin was made by a mint worker in the mint using official mint equipment, there is no way to prove whether he was acting on official orders or on his own. There are no surviving records of mint activity of the normal variety let alone records spelling out illegal or unadmitted matters.

 

I need a new book then

 

The book im reading is called ancient coins how to collect for fun and profit by ted g wear. Chapter 4 is called official counterfits and is the exact oppisit of what you said. How they made them to save money and then when taxes were do they would no except them. Id rather believe what you say then what this book says anyhow

 

Interesting! I have never heard of this book but researching I see it was from 1965. I collected ancients in 1965 but did not know it then either. I wonder if the author was referring to the debased silver of the later 3rd century that was so light on silver that they had to issue coins with a silver wash. These are not counterfeits but were the normal silver bearing coins of that period. Most today have lost their silvering but we sometimes see coins posted here that have part or all of it remaining. These are a completely different subject than fourrees of the good silver issues.

 

Im trying to find a excert or preview of the chapter so you can read it i might have to type it and send you a pm. It sucks cus this is the only book i can find at surrongldings librarys. I do have david sear vol 1-3 to see what tjere like but the pdfs

 

Im trying to find a excert or preview of the chapter so you can read it i might have to type it and send you a pm. It sucks cus this is the only book i can find at surrongldings librarys. I do have david sear vol 1-3 to see what tjere like but the pdfs

 

Im trying to find a excert or preview of the chapter so you can read it i might have to type it and send you a pm. It sucks cus this is the only book i can find at surrongldings librarys. I do have david sear vol 1-3 to see what tjere like but the pdfs

 

I don't have a fouree yet but definitely some nice Zombie coins in this thread!