Should we be jumping on the penny hoarding bandwagon??

Discussion in 'Coin Chat' started by JCB1983, Dec 9, 2011.

  1. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator

    And that is exactly why the ban WILL NOT be lifted, probably ever. At least not unless copper drops in price one heck of a lot. Why do you think they instituted the ban to begin with ?

    They banned the melting of the cents, and the nickels, because it cost them more to make a new one than the face value of the coin. People knew this, and the copper cents were beginning to disappear, as were the nickels. So if they did not ban the melting of them they would continue to disappear - only at a faster rate. And if they did, it would cost the govt. a fortune to replace the coins being melted.

    So hoarding these coins on the hope that the ban on melting is going to be lifted someday is a pipe dream ! It aint gonna happen because they cannot allow it to happen !
     
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  3. Cazkaboom

    Cazkaboom One for all, all for me.

    I go through maybe $50/week, and find about $10 face pre-1982 but sell them to my dealer for slightly over face, and fund it again. I am wanting to get one of these for Christmas though. Not the $500 one but it works.
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  4. saltysam-1

    saltysam-1 Junior Member

    I think if this law does come about, there might be provisions within in it, to control mass melting. Besides, I don't think the banks want to become a clearing house for open and searched rolls of pennies. The potential cost of handling, storage and rerolling these coins, is not what they want to get into. There may even be a limit or charge by the banks for turning in open rolls of coins. Many banks and public areas, have counters you pay to use now, if you are depositing raw coinage in large amounts. So this cost might even be intentionally high enough, to eliminate hoarders from depositing vast amount of coins. And if it ends up eating more of the profit, just how far ahead of the game are you? Just food for thought. It is a calculated risk, not a certainty.
     
  5. Doug21

    Doug21 Coin Hoarder

    I have to disagree with you ( Other) Doug.

    The lowly cent will be eliminated within a very few years, and even if it somehow survives as a zinc piece of crap plated with copper, melting laws will be ignored.

    I could get alcohol during prohibition ( if alive then) or Pot now legally in many states, or other stuff. Early American Gold was exported easily to Europe.

    If one can steal copper/ bronze from places like cemetaries and scrap it, then the same can be done for coins.

    The penny is so irrelevant, the half cent went out in 1857, a half cent had to be worth the equivelant of at least a 2011 dime back then.

    My argument is pulling copper cents out of circulation ( that I can sell, legally for 3 cents a coin for melting purposes)....will generate me about $1 per hour.
     
  6. Doug21

    Doug21 Coin Hoarder

    The denomination just goes away, like the half-cent did in 1857. The nickel is still a problem, but time to kill Abe, ....again !
     
  7. model77

    model77 Silver Stacker

    everyone is discussing melting. If copper became valuable enough why would they not just get integrated into the junk coin market? Silver coins sell for melt value but I don't think they are actually melted are they? they just trade back and forth like bullion.
     
  8. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator

    They've been trying to do that for 30 years, it's still here. Probably will be for another 30.

    As for ignoring the laws, yeah OK. Most laws are ignored by some. I can't think of a single one that hasn't been.
     
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  10. 10gary22

    10gary22 Junior Member


    I am not quite sure how it would work. They may not need a new law to lift the ban on melting Cents. It may be something fairly easy to do without a lot of legislation required ?? Something that could be put in with something else perhaps. It's not like it's important in the grand scheme of things. As far as our Congress goes, would they even care one way or the other ?

    Just a thought.
     
  11. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator

  12. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator

    They don't even need a law because there is no law the prevents the melting of the coins. There is a ruling issued by the Treasury that prohibits the melting. To change it, all that has to happen is for the Treasury to reverse their ruling.

    But they won't do that, because if they do it will cost the Treasury a fortune.
     
  13. JCB1983

    JCB1983 Learning

    How would it cost the treasury a fortune?
     
  14. cpm9ball

    cpm9ball CANNOT RE-MEMBER

    Even if there was a law permitting the melting of the Lincoln, Grade A (unalloyed) Copper would have to sell at $7.82/lb just to break even on Lincoln cents. I don't know why everyone keeps thinking they'll make a killing.

    Chris
     
  15. onecenter

    onecenter Member

    Having just moved my 42-year hoard of Wheat cents rolled by date and mintmark, Canadian cents and an assortment of uncirculated rolls prior to 1983, totaling 60000+ coins, taking on the possibility of gleaning pre-1983 bronze cents from circulation for potential profit of copper value is a bit daunting.
     
  16. dctjr80

    dctjr80 Senior Member

  17. edited.Copper at junkyards have made it near 3 dollars a pound already.edited
     
  18. thetracer

    thetracer Active Member

    got in late

    but, I did recently see an article from England where some stole the brass kick plates off of front doors of houses, I guess, just for the CU. But, I can't resist saving most coppers unless they are too dirty, love the red ones.
     
  19. bobbeth87

    bobbeth87 Coin Collector

    You can sell them right now for a premium on ebay
     
  20. thetracer

    thetracer Active Member

    what can I say about that, it was quick, and evidently true

    Let's take our coppers to the UK and make some . . . .
     
  21. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator

    It already does, but allow the cents and nickels to be exported and/or melted and it would cost them a whole lot more.

    First of all, back in 2008 it costs 1.67 cents to make each 1 cent coin and it costs 9.5 cents to make each 5 cent coin. So for every penny and nickel that the mint produced they were losing roughly 1 penny and losing 1 nickel. And with the billions of those things that they make, those losses add up pretty fast.

    Now, consider how many people are hoarding the copper cents as it is. Every one that is hoarded is taken out of circulation. That means the mint has to replace that coin and make another one. That increases their losses on that coin. And if they changed the ruling forbidding export and melting - how many more people would then be hoarding the cents and nickels both ? They'd start disappearing as fast as silver coins in 1964 and 1965.

    Beginning to get the picture ?
     
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