Should it be PL or DMPL ??

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  1. redcent230

    redcent230 Well-Known Member

    I got this through Ebay and wonder if it should be PL or DMPL destination?? What would you grade this at ? Also is the eagle tilted ??
     

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  3. Cascade

    Cascade CAC Variety Nerd

    Obverse yes probably dmpl but it doesn't look like the reverse made even PL so it didn't get the designation. 64+ maybe squeaked out a 65
     
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  4. SuperDave

    SuperDave Free the Cartwheels!

    We really can't offer any conclusive opinion from a photograph; I know of no definitive way to illustrate the PL/DMPL comparison - or any more than a vague guess as to the depth of the mirrors) with a camera. Agreed with Cascade that only the obverse shows sufficient reflectivity for either designation, though. And a PL/DMPL designation requires both faces.
     
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  5. blu62vette

    blu62vette Member

    That reverse looks very weak for mirrors, since it is already graded why don't you tell us?
     
  6. redcent230

    redcent230 Well-Known Member

    I didn't know that it has to be both side of the coin to get the designation. So I guess you all answer my question. But is the eagle from the reverse looks tilted ?? Here is my picture for this coin.
     

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  7. cpm9ball

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    I don't think so. It looks to me that the coin is rotated slightly in the holder.

    Chris
     
  8. Rick Stachowski

    Rick Stachowski Motor City Car Capital

    Here's what a PL looks like .
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  9. Eaglefawn

    Eaglefawn Active Member

    Eagle does look tilted to me.
     
  10. Cascade

    Cascade CAC Variety Nerd

    The coin is rotated in the holder. The eagle appears "tilted" because the coin wasn't put in the holder exactly plumb
     
  11. NorthKorea

    NorthKorea Dealer Member is a made up title...

    I'd say 0% chance for PL based upon the reverse. Even based upon the obverse, the cameo effect is only semi-PL. I don't imagine that surface presenting the requisite 2" of mirroring.
     
  12. blu62vette

    blu62vette Member

    2" of mirroring? That gets you nothing.
     
  13. NorthKorea

    NorthKorea Dealer Member is a made up title...

    If both sides have cameo devices and 2" of mirrored fields, you'll get PL.
     
  14. SuperDave

    SuperDave Free the Cartwheels!

    2" of mirroring gets you nothing.
     
  15. blu62vette

    blu62vette Member

    Cameo does not mean PL.

    You will likely need to have 4-6" of mirrors to get PL at a grading service. 2" gets PL written on a 2x2 in a dealers case.
     
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  16. NorthKorea

    NorthKorea Dealer Member is a made up title...

    Are we in agreement on what 2" of mirroring means? It means that at 2", the image reflected has the same resolution as a mirror. You might still see an image out to 10" but at a lower resolution.
     
  17. SuperDave

    SuperDave Free the Cartwheels!

    Not the way I'd have worded it, but if I'm interpreting it correctly, I agree with you. I use newspaper type readability at distance as my own measurement. 2" of that won't get a PL designation from anyone. 4" might get you PL. Might.
     
  18. Rick Stachowski

    Rick Stachowski Motor City Car Capital

    You mean level, plumb is in & out ......
    Long live the Masons ..............................................
     
  19. Cascade

    Cascade CAC Variety Nerd

    I prefer garbagepail kids at 10" :p

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  20. SuperDave

    SuperDave Free the Cartwheels!

    Fun, but deceptive, especially in view of NorthKorea's point about resolution. That's why I prefer newspaper type as the litmus test - it reveals the dropoff in resolution far more clearly than other, more colorful reflections. Yes, that coin reflects at 10", but can you still see a 12pt letter clearly?
     
  21. NorthKorea

    NorthKorea Dealer Member is a made up title...

    Ahh, okay. Then there's no chance OP's coin is even semi-PL.

    And for the record... some days, I'm not sure I can even read 12 pt font at 2 ft (12" mirrored). ;)
     
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