Should "In God We Trust" be removed from US Coins & Currency?

That's not the way I read it. I just briefed this today, hope I didn't get it wrong.

http://www.pewforum.org/2015/11/03/u-s-public-becoming-less-religious/

 

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There are two sort of conlificting findings that leads me to believe they did include those.

They conclude with "Altogether, the religiously unaffiliated (also called the “nones”) now account for 23% of the adult population, up from 16% in 2007." But in the paragraph before they say "A growing share of Americans are religiously unaffiliated, including some who self-identify as atheists or agnostics as well as many who describe their religion as “nothing in particular.” Altogether, the religiously unaffiliated (also called the “nones”) now account for 23% of the adult population, up from 16% in 2007."

You cannot have 23 percent of the population as agnostic if 89 percent say they believe in god. I believe the "nothing in particular" group is a reference to the believes in god crowd but are not part of an organized religion. The paragraph after the chart also starts out with "Pew Research Center surveys consistently show that not all religious “nones” are nonbelievers. In fact, the majority of Americans without a religious affiliation say they believe in God. As a group, however, the “nones” are far less religiously observant than Americans who identify with a specific faith."

Their data seems to show the actual believes in God numbers haven't changed a whole lot, but organized religious following of a specific faith has certainly taken a hit. Also while the number of the unaffilated who do not believe in God did grow they state "Fully one-third of religiously unaffiliated adults now say they do not believe in God, up 11 points since 2007." 1/3 of 23 percent would put it a little over 7. Even if you add that to the 3 percent of religious people that say they do not believe in god, that puts it around 10-11 percent of the population not believing in any God.

 

Once you use even the generic term "God" you have stepped into the fantasy land of fairy tales and make-believe. Let's just avoid that part all together.

 

I uh, predict, uh, that this thread is going to get lockipated really soon...

 

That is your opinion which frankly you are presenting in a rather insulting way.

But let me also just throw out an unintended consequence that most collectors haven't considered. If you outlaw it on coins that means all the coins with it have to be recalled and destroyed/replaced. Hopefully you don't like seated coinage that has it, or Morgans, or numerous gold coins. They would get a massive gold and silver windfall giving you face value as compensation. Governments position is and always will be money belongs to them and you are just borrowing it.

 

Because thinking everything just happened from nothing makes so much more sense than something creating it.

 

Let's pretend that the motto had to be removed. The court says so, Congress passes a law that agrees, and the President is on board. Ok we're still pretending. Also the majority of Americans agree. I would think it very unlikely the government would declare all issued coins and currency with the motto are now no longer suitable for use in commerce. I believe it even more unlikely that a program would be instituted where all circulating coinage would be actively pulled from circulation and that agents of the government would go around asking people if they had any old coins laying around with the motto.

 

Hogwash. You can simply stop including it on newly minted and printed money.

 

They wouldn't have too. All they would have to do is go to any coin show or contact any auction house and seize the material. You would be talking 100s of millions if not billions in melt value. Sure you could sue to try and get it back, but nothing says you would and you would have to pay up for lawyers in the process.

 

If congress passed an act yes. If the court ruled it illegal no. And it won't happen for money from a court anyway. The federal reserve is not a government institution, separation of church and state does not apply to them in anyway.

 

So you're one of those people who only believe science when it is helpful to you personally (e.g., medical treatments, technology, etc.). Gotcha.

Science has offered evidence for their theory of the birth of the universe. Religion just offers smoke and mirrors. Believe what you want, but I prefer facts.

 

The Federal Reserve doesn't print or mint money. The Bureau of Engraving & Printing and the US Mint do -- which ARE federal government agencies within the Department of the Treasury.

 

Which is printing notes for the federal reserve. You can make a strong argument they're nothing more than a contracted printer not actually carrying out a government action.

 

I'm not saying it's impossible but I just think it would never happen that way. It's too impractical for something that doesn't pose an actual threat to health or safety. But then again if we're still pretending then the God who is slighted by the removal from U.S. coins will surely intervene and all will be made right.

I think this man is just trying to generate some talk...maybe sell a couple of e-books or get his 15 minutes. I mean with everything else going on in our country this is a pretty petty topic to be making a big deal about. I'm sure he's so oppressed by the constant reminder people have religious thoughts every time he looks at his money. It must feel like he has a gun to his head whenever he goes shopping.

 

I love when someone simply can't admit they are wrong. Better luck next time.

 

Has there EVER been evidence of one species turning into another?

 

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While that is true, the only thing that motivates the government more than those two things is money which could be a huge windfall for them. It's certainly not set in stone they would, but it wouldn't be the first time they set policies as a money grab.

I think you're right. This isn't the first time a case like this has been brought to the courts and probably won't be the last. Surely the courts have better ways to spend their time. Hopefully he learns how to use a debit or credit card so he doesn't have to be in such pain shopping.

 

Sure, there are thousands upon thousands of scientific articles in fact. The fault with your argument is particularly inherent in the arbitrariness of the definition of "species". It is known that Neanderthal's mated with homo sapiens. They were strictly speaking different species. It is known that wolves can mate with coyotes, while being different species -- what species are their offspring?

The genetic disparity among animals is a continuum, not a "white and black" world of boxed in species. If you don't understand that, then I recommend some basic courses in biology and genetics.