Should I grant an eBay refund for a coin received 21 days ago?

Honestly, I think the opinions of people online (who might or might not be varying degrees of experts) along with the fact that the coin cannot be viewed in hand...makes any information you get from the online source suspect. The fact that photos are the only way to really assess the coin means a full assessment can't really be done. You must view the coin in hand. Secondly, am I a coin expert? Do you know me, should you really trust my opinion? That being said, if you took the same coin to a respected dealer and got the same information...and sold the coin raw, yes I do think it should be included.

 

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While I think this hypothetical is a little different from the half cent situation, I understand where you are coming from. The fact of the matter is, the TPGs are all over the place with early copper coins. I see recolored large cent in problem free PCGS and NGC holders all the time. I see clearly AU, or even XF coins, in MS holders all the time. There are multiple examples of a large cents going from AU problem free holders, into AU details, and then back into AU holders.

Here is one example:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/1797-Large-...82?pt=Coins_US_Individual&hash=item43ba142c5a

People in this thread are acting like the TPG grades are known truths, but they are not factual statements about a coin. They are an opinion and because they are only an opinion we have the saying 'buy the coin not the slab'. This is especially true when it comes to early copper, the TPGs really show no consistency in this area with grades, or with condition.

With that said, when I sell a coin I do my best to represent what I think it is, so if I think it's been recolored I say so or if I think it's been cleaned I say so. But the only way to get a good sense of the coin is to have it in hand. If you really did not think the half cent was cleaned I see nothing wrong with your listing. I on the other hand think it looks cleaned from the pictures. The point being, when I look at coins on ebay I asses the coin myself and ignore most of what the seller posts because my opinion on the coin is what is important, not the seller, and not the TPGs.

 

As we see here all the time, people disagree with TPG's often. However it seems like you are saying we should accept them as the final word. From this, could we learn that we should have SGS grade everything first so we can crack them out and claim our coin was graded MS70 by a grading service?

 

Doh!

 

That's not what I said at all. If you have a slabbed coin that you think was undergraded by one TPG and you want to send it to another because you think it will get upgraded, then go for it that's fine it's your coin. With that said, if you have a details graded coin and you crack it out only to sell it on feebay for more money because it doesn't look that bad, then that is totally dishonest and wrong. So I stand by my comment.

 

I agree with you. I have seen several details coins go from problem holders to be for sale on ebay as raw. Like beef - I do not let what a seller says influence my judgement, especially on ebay.

 

did you state in the listing for the coin that it had not been cleaned?

 

I think you can crack coins out of a slab. But if you do why all this "MS, AU, High grade, there's a small ding I am pointing out for accuracy" stuff?

Why not be the kind of dealer someone would like to buy coins from again and again? Just because it's the internet and you don't have to deal with them face to face?

Some people are making insulting comments about ebay bidders ("bidiots"), but they pay top dollar for coins and I give them all the respect in the world.

With thousands of transactions under your belt, why not be a nice guy and give the buyer his money back?

 

:dead-horse: end of story I hope...

 

The thread is getting so long, that newcomers are asking questions that were asked and answered many pages before. If you are going to add something to the discussion, please read all of the pages like we did........(unfortunately perhaps). I think now we are beating Zombie Horses ( anyone have an emoticon for that ?)

 

No. I got hit for saying it was a "high grade example." I never said it was "not cleaned." Anyway, I was shocked at how high it went. I was thinking I'd get $140-$150 for it. BTW everyone, after reading your comments and mulling it all over, I am refunding the buyer in full.

 

good man- please, no more shady practices - it hurts all of us

 

Absolutely, gotta agree with the above! Glad you're making it right C-B-D, good for you! :thumb: Now let's move on to another thread!!

 

Kudos to you sir!

 

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I guess I have more to say.

I'm sure we could dig up many more coins the OP cracked from problem slabs and sold or is selling. Many ebay listings at the start of this thread said nothing about the problems. Some of these listings have now changed.

Saying I'll change at this point means nothing to me.

 

I agree that the term is rather harsh, but if you take in context, it does describe a certain category of bidder. It is what it is, but in no way is it meant to mean all buyers. Just as all ebay buyers to not pay top dollar, not all are bidiots either.

There is a great difference between doing ones best to honestly represent a coin, and falling back on the "in my opinion" line. Unfortunately, there are too many sellers who prefer the latter.





CBD,

I do hope this discussion has made an impact upon you, and in the future you avoid seeking out obvious problem coins as an easy way of restocking inventory. Even if it hurts your pocket now, if you keep at this, chances are that in the long run it will pay off. A buyer may not realize a coin is not what was advertised within the return period, or possibly for months to years later, but they will remember who sold it to them once they do.

Also, I just wanted to second medoraman's post from earlier; it says something that you've stuck around and have taken the heat. Now just do the right thing.

 

You have a point and a very good one at that, but I don't expect a few or even 20 opinions to change the way the OP does business. You've seen some of his responses to questions asked and it was easy to see that he was only appeasing us to shut us up, nobody was fooled. The bottom line is his covers have been pulled and now everybody here knows what he's about. I applaud him only because I'm tired of beating a dead horse.

 

I just love it when folks start threads to draw attention and get their own dirty laundry hung out.

 

I think we should give him a chance to show that he can change. After all, he did admit his misdeeds and stick around to take all the heat. Most others would be long gone by now.

Chris