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<p>[QUOTE="dougsmit, post: 3222954, member: 19463"]RIC, the real book, only lists this type with the B3 bust type (seen from the back) so I can only assume that the distinction is more clear on the coin they saw, if they saw one rather than copying a listing as was so often done. The coin is coded V or Vienna suggesting they did not have one in England (do I understand that correctly?). At R3, I doubt they saw many and there is no telling in what condition the coins were that led to the listing. This is the sort of question that is not easy to answer but I would not even start to think about a new, unknown variety until I had at least seen photos of some of the others known. </p><p><br /></p><p>Dane's spreadsheets are a wonderful resource for those who do not have the books but they were generated from listings done by copying the standard references which are not always 100% up to date. When we are dealing with coins in less than perfect condition we have to ask if there is any way that a seeming discrepancy could be explained away given the data at hand. In this case, I don't see enough shoulder detail to prove anything one way or another. If you want to chase this bit of knowledge, start looking for other coins of this mint coded to 'from behind' so you can develop a feel for what RIC authors meant by the term. Sometimes it is a matter of where the button on the shoulder falls with relation to the midline. I have not researched this one. I really tried to get interested in late Roman when I did the photos for Victor Failmezger's book but it does not go deeply into flyspecking. The only Failmezger 291 illustrated was the Licinius I. </p><p><br /></p><p>If I had seen the coin AND recognized what it was, I might have bought it. I suggest keeping it until you upgrade it with one that answers the 'from the back' question. </p><p><br /></p><p>If Victor Clark of CT sees this, I hope he has a comment.[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>
[QUOTE="dougsmit, post: 3222954, member: 19463"]RIC, the real book, only lists this type with the B3 bust type (seen from the back) so I can only assume that the distinction is more clear on the coin they saw, if they saw one rather than copying a listing as was so often done. The coin is coded V or Vienna suggesting they did not have one in England (do I understand that correctly?). At R3, I doubt they saw many and there is no telling in what condition the coins were that led to the listing. This is the sort of question that is not easy to answer but I would not even start to think about a new, unknown variety until I had at least seen photos of some of the others known. Dane's spreadsheets are a wonderful resource for those who do not have the books but they were generated from listings done by copying the standard references which are not always 100% up to date. When we are dealing with coins in less than perfect condition we have to ask if there is any way that a seeming discrepancy could be explained away given the data at hand. In this case, I don't see enough shoulder detail to prove anything one way or another. If you want to chase this bit of knowledge, start looking for other coins of this mint coded to 'from behind' so you can develop a feel for what RIC authors meant by the term. Sometimes it is a matter of where the button on the shoulder falls with relation to the midline. I have not researched this one. I really tried to get interested in late Roman when I did the photos for Victor Failmezger's book but it does not go deeply into flyspecking. The only Failmezger 291 illustrated was the Licinius I. If I had seen the coin AND recognized what it was, I might have bought it. I suggest keeping it until you upgrade it with one that answers the 'from the back' question. If Victor Clark of CT sees this, I hope he has a comment.[/QUOTE]
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