Shootout at my local coin shop. ugh

Grew up in Detroit Suburbs, it could be great city if some of the people living there stop blaming everything and take responsibility for their actions and work to make it better city.

 

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Unfortunately I believe that would apply to most major US cities.

 

Do some dealers have ak 47s or ar15s?

 

If one of these D.C. thugs attempted to hold up our shop it would be a death sentence. 2 retired police police officers, a 2 time combat vet, and a doomsdayer. All armed.

 

I am sure, but in close quarters I would prefer to have a 12 gauge if I wanted a long weapon myself. When something like that happens, everyone is nervous, and its a lot easier to hit someone with a 12 gauge than a rifle. If space was restricted, I would prefer a handgun for ease of use. A rifle basically would be my last option in a store environment.

 

Glad they caught the bad guys. There was a similar situation at a Coin dealer out in San Diego a few years back. Two guys tried to hold up the place. The owners were armed. The owners were even willing to comply until they crooks overplayed their hand and tried to force the owners into flex cuffs on the floor.

At that point, the owners realized the intent of the bad guys(to liquidate them after the robbery), they had to take action. They both pulled out their pistols, shot and killed one of the robbers, the other is doing 10-20 for armed robbery.

Now when you go into this place, the security is like Fort Knox. They buzz you in through a bullet proof glass security window at the front of the shop after they check you out. Both owners are actually openly carrying side arms in their shop now. But they're still open for business. It's just a shame it has to come to this.

 

I couldn't agree more.

 

I agree on a handgun, with proper training, it is the best line of defense. Accuracy is more important than brute force, because you have to keep in mind that there will most likely be customers present.

 

Every coin store in the milwaukee area I have been into, you have to be "buzzed" in and out.

 

There was a report that a dealer robbed of inventory got a call from the crook's lawyer after posting a video of the culprit on "youtube" at PCGS' forum:

http://forums.collectors.com/messageview.cfm?catid=26&threadid=854870

Also a report of a robbery today: http://forums.collectors.com/messageview.cfm?catid=26&threadid=854998

 

I would hope not. Way overkill for a coin shop in an urban area. .223s will go right through 1/4" steel. They could go right through a car and hit somebody on the other side if one went out a window.
I agree with the shotgun idea. They are brutal but anybody who tries holding up any business has given up their right to well being. Its the chance they take.

A couple local kids here beat up a disabled senior and rearranged the guys face because they saw him leave a bank. They got $60 off him. The guy has permanent damage.
Never under estimate these people. Those guys were smart to pull guns before they got tied up. I wouldve done the same.

 

Oh, and would you please drop the charges? Yeah, right!

 

I have no sympathy for these crooks.

Instead of throwing them in prison to rot, they should severe their heads, and put them on poles.

Then display said poles in the center of town to remind people not to do this crap.

I think crime would drop quite a bit if they publicly executed people.

 

Ok then. I am not for that, but I do seriously wonder why we put them in jail to spend hours on end lifting weights to be a bigger and stronger criminal when they come out. Either make them sit naked eating cheetos in a bean bag chair so they come out big fat criminals whom anyone can chase down fleeing a scene of a crime, or make them get off their butts and work 14 hours a day pulling weeds, digging ditches, or something to make them pay society back a little. Maybe if they got used to working 14 hours a day then a real job when they get out wouldn't seem so "unbearable" that they "have" to go back to a life of crime.

Btw, yes, the bean bag bit was from Ron White.

 

I don't disagree with you, but if every case were taken this way, it wouldn't be America!

 

BTW, which round will puncture more metal or should i say has more velocity;

.223 or 7.62

 

The 7.62 has more stopping power. Of course, depends on which 7.62 you are referring to, the SKS/AK47 version, (39 MM I believe) not being the same as my fav, the M60 version, (42 mm?).

Sorry gun people if I got the sizes wrong, its been a while and I just remember the rounds by which weapons they go into.

 

Chris, I figured you collected ancient weapons. Like sharpened sticks and rocks.

 

Lol good one. For the record I was a unit/battalion armorer, so maintained all of the weapons and got volunteered for every weapons course that came along for a few years. My expert badge in the Army used to look like a railroad track, (military members will get that). So, I know some about weapons, but may have forgotten more than I still remember.

Besides, don't belittle ancient weapons. You ever get poked with a sharp stick in the eye?

 

I meant which will go through metal faster, or pierce greater, not really stopping power.