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<p>[QUOTE="IMP Shogun, post: 5534523, member: 114683"]<i>"Siliqua vicesima quarta pars solidi est, ab arbore, cuius semen est, vocabulum tenens."</i></p><p>A siliqua is one-twentyfourth of a solidus [coin] and the name is taken from the seed of a tree.</p><p><br /></p><p>— Isidore of Seville, <i>Etymologiarum libri XX</i>, <i>Liber XVI</i>, 25</p><p><br /></p><p>Happy Sunday all - </p><p><br /></p><p>As we prepare to eat chicken wings and watch football (please make sure you put your coins away before going in for the buffalo...), I wanted to share a corner of my collection that I find appealing. </p><p><br /></p><p>Worth repeating - that we don't actually know what these coins were called but refer to them as siliqua or the fruits of a flowering plant. Weights and sizes were somewhat fluid for the coins we refer to as siliquae, and their relationship to the more ubiquitous bronze coins remains a mystery.</p><p><br /></p><p>The wheels fell off the bus of the empire in the late 4th century and the silver coins we loved from the earlier periods of the empire came back in a smaller, lighter, quickly manufactured version that looks more like early medieval currency (sceat) than it does Roman. Given the clipping, it does appear that many of these did circulate as such for quite some time after the Roman empire receded in the west.</p><p><br /></p><p>Great in-depth read about the use of clipped coin here for those that like details more than they like football:</p><p><a href="https://www.jstor.org/stable/526589?seq=1" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://www.jstor.org/stable/526589?seq=1" rel="nofollow">Clipped Siliquae and the End of Roman Britain on JSTOR</a></p><p><br /></p><p>From a collectors perspective these coins attract a premium particularly for unclipped coins.</p><p><br /></p><p>And the money shots:</p><p><br /></p><p><b>Classic VOTIS MVLTIS,</b> a.k.a. praying for 10 more good years after 20 good years (I think we all would settle for even a good 2021!). Another thought is that more centrally controlled countries like China put forth a 10-year plan:</p><p><img src="https://www.cointalk.com/media/constantius-ii-siliqua.16263/full?lightbox=1&last_edit_date=1611514811" class="bbCodeImage wysiwygImage" alt="" unselectable="on" /> </p><p><i> Constantius II 337–361 A.D. siliqua RIC VIII 81 Wreath 351-355 Nicomedia </i></p><p><i>DN CONSTANTIVS PF AVG; VOTIS/XXX/MVLTIS/XXXX </i></p><p><i>SMN four lines within wreath. Mintmark SMN</i></p><p><i>19mm 3.13g (yuge, might as well call this a denarius!)</i></p><p><br /></p><p><b>Valentinian II VOT - MVLT,</b> demonstrating clipping and Arbogast's less ambitious goal of 5 yers of good times:</p><p><img src="https://www.cointalk.com/media/valentinian-ii-siliqua.16262/full?lightbox=1&last_edit_date=1611514811" class="bbCodeImage wysiwygImage" alt="" unselectable="on" /> </p><p><i>Valentinian II 375–392 A.D. siliqua RIC IX 24a Wreath 378-383 Siscia </i></p><p><i>DN VALENTINIANVS P F AVG VOT / V / MVLT / X [SISCPS] </i></p><p><i>Laureal wreath with mintmark SISCPS in exergue mostly clipped</i></p><p>13.8mm 1.04g</p><p><br /></p><p><b>Gratian VRBS - ROMA</b>:</p><p><img src="https://www.cointalk.com/media/gratian-siliqua.16261/full?lightbox=1&last_edit_date=1611514811" class="bbCodeImage wysiwygImage" alt="" unselectable="on" /> </p><p>Gratian 375–383 A.D. siliqua RIC IX 27f Roma AR JA 367-368 Trier </p><p>DN GRATIANVS PF AVG VRBS ROMA </p><p>Roma seated left holding Victory on globe and scepter; Mintmark TRPS</p><p>16mm 2.2g</p><p><br /></p><p><b>Honorius - VIRTVS ROMANORVM</b> - Feels like something big will happen:</p><p><img src="https://www.cointalk.com/media/honorius-siliqua.16260/full?lightbox=1&last_edit_date=1611514811" class="bbCodeImage wysiwygImage" alt="" unselectable="on" /></p><p>Honorius 395–423 A.D. siliqua RIC X 1267 Roma 407-408 Rome </p><p>D N HONORIVS P F AVG / VIRTVS ROMANORVM RMPS </p><p>Roma seated left on cuirass, holding spear and victory on globe; Mintmark RMPS</p><p>19mm 1.62g</p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p>Let's see your silly - quae on this fine Sunday (if you want to add a few sceattas nobody will be upset with you)[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>
[QUOTE="IMP Shogun, post: 5534523, member: 114683"][I]"Siliqua vicesima quarta pars solidi est, ab arbore, cuius semen est, vocabulum tenens."[/I] A siliqua is one-twentyfourth of a solidus [coin] and the name is taken from the seed of a tree. — Isidore of Seville, [I]Etymologiarum libri XX[/I], [I]Liber XVI[/I], 25 Happy Sunday all - As we prepare to eat chicken wings and watch football (please make sure you put your coins away before going in for the buffalo...), I wanted to share a corner of my collection that I find appealing. Worth repeating - that we don't actually know what these coins were called but refer to them as siliqua or the fruits of a flowering plant. Weights and sizes were somewhat fluid for the coins we refer to as siliquae, and their relationship to the more ubiquitous bronze coins remains a mystery. The wheels fell off the bus of the empire in the late 4th century and the silver coins we loved from the earlier periods of the empire came back in a smaller, lighter, quickly manufactured version that looks more like early medieval currency (sceat) than it does Roman. Given the clipping, it does appear that many of these did circulate as such for quite some time after the Roman empire receded in the west. Great in-depth read about the use of clipped coin here for those that like details more than they like football: [URL='https://www.jstor.org/stable/526589?seq=1']Clipped Siliquae and the End of Roman Britain on JSTOR[/URL] From a collectors perspective these coins attract a premium particularly for unclipped coins. And the money shots: [B]Classic VOTIS MVLTIS,[/B] a.k.a. praying for 10 more good years after 20 good years (I think we all would settle for even a good 2021!). Another thought is that more centrally controlled countries like China put forth a 10-year plan: [IMG]https://www.cointalk.com/media/constantius-ii-siliqua.16263/full?lightbox=1&last_edit_date=1611514811[/IMG] [I] Constantius II 337–361 A.D. siliqua RIC VIII 81 Wreath 351-355 Nicomedia DN CONSTANTIVS PF AVG; VOTIS/XXX/MVLTIS/XXXX SMN four lines within wreath. Mintmark SMN 19mm 3.13g (yuge, might as well call this a denarius!)[/I] [B]Valentinian II VOT - MVLT,[/B] demonstrating clipping and Arbogast's less ambitious goal of 5 yers of good times: [IMG]https://www.cointalk.com/media/valentinian-ii-siliqua.16262/full?lightbox=1&last_edit_date=1611514811[/IMG] [I]Valentinian II 375–392 A.D. siliqua RIC IX 24a Wreath 378-383 Siscia DN VALENTINIANVS P F AVG VOT / V / MVLT / X [SISCPS] Laureal wreath with mintmark SISCPS in exergue mostly clipped[/I] 13.8mm 1.04g [B]Gratian VRBS - ROMA[/B]: [IMG]https://www.cointalk.com/media/gratian-siliqua.16261/full?lightbox=1&last_edit_date=1611514811[/IMG] Gratian 375–383 A.D. siliqua RIC IX 27f Roma AR JA 367-368 Trier DN GRATIANVS PF AVG VRBS ROMA Roma seated left holding Victory on globe and scepter; Mintmark TRPS 16mm 2.2g [B]Honorius - VIRTVS ROMANORVM[/B] - Feels like something big will happen: [IMG]https://www.cointalk.com/media/honorius-siliqua.16260/full?lightbox=1&last_edit_date=1611514811[/IMG] Honorius 395–423 A.D. siliqua RIC X 1267 Roma 407-408 Rome D N HONORIVS P F AVG / VIRTVS ROMANORVM RMPS Roma seated left on cuirass, holding spear and victory on globe; Mintmark RMPS 19mm 1.62g Let's see your silly - quae on this fine Sunday (if you want to add a few sceattas nobody will be upset with you)[/QUOTE]
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