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<p>[QUOTE="John Conduitt, post: 8348590, member: 109923"]Shipping from overseas can be slow. But new tax collection rules in the UK, EU and US have made buying some coins impossible. Dealers must now do more paperwork to ship overseas, which was already unattractive with the cost and the risk of shipments going missing. Some dealers, particularly (but not only) in the US, have simply stopped shipping overseas.</p><p><br /></p><p>As some collectors have found, such as [USER=31620]@maridvnvm[/USER] <a href="https://www.cointalk.com/threads/some-us-vcoins-dealers-no-longer-ship-to-uk.394935/" class="internalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://www.cointalk.com/threads/some-us-vcoins-dealers-no-longer-ship-to-uk.394935/">https://www.cointalk.com/threads/some-us-vcoins-dealers-no-longer-ship-to-uk.394935/</a>, this means the entire inventory of many US dealers is trapped. Coins just can’t get out of the US, even to their countries of birth. It’s a sad, cruel situation. We in ‘World’ lands must paw at the bullet-proof window and pine.</p><p><br /></p><p><b>The error message on VCoins if you dare order from many a US dealer from beyond the wall</b></p><p>[ATTACH=full]1480912[/ATTACH]</p><p><br /></p><p>But there is hope. VCoins suggests, ‘Please use a different address’. So, I enlisted the services of a freight forwarder. They receive orders you place with coin dealers or any other retail establishment, consolidate them, hold them for free for up to 45 days and ship them to you when you’re ready. They only charge when you ship.</p><p><br /></p><p>To test this system, I ordered 2 relatively inexpensive coins from different dealers, using my new ‘US address’. They both charged $4 for shipping within the US. One coin arrived with the forwarder (Stackry) after 2 days, the other after 6 days. I asked for the orders to be consolidated and declared their value and contents (‘copper coins over 100 years old’). They were shipped the next day. 15 days after placing the original orders, the coins were safely in my hand in the UK. In this case, no extra customs fees or taxes were charged.</p><p><br /></p><p><b>Antoninus Pius As, 154-155. One of the escapees</b></p><p>[ATTACH=full]1480911[/ATTACH]</p><p><b>Rome. Bronze, 26mm, 10.4g. Laureate bust, no drapery on left shoulder; ANTONINVS AVG PIVS P P TR P XVIII. Felicitas standing left, holding corn ears and winged caduceus; FELICI-TAS COS IIII S C (RIC 937).</b> A ‘Coin of British Association’.</p><p><br /></p><p>The forwarder charged £13.90 for shipping and insurance, and £3.27 for consolidation. The total cost (including the dealer shipping charges) was £23.77. Since the dealers don’t ship to the UK, there isn’t a cost to compare against. But over the last year I’ve been charged an average of £13 by US dealers for direct shipments of similar value, which would’ve been £26 for the two coins. With more coins, the saving could’ve been significant (and the cost per coin much better).</p><p><br /></p><p>Now, I’ve only done this once. I’d been told such a foolhardy venture would not end well. Perhaps I got lucky. There are a few things to bear in mind:</p><p><br /></p><p>- The forwarder may not package your coins as well as the dealers did. Mine had been removed from their original outer envelopes (presumably for customs inspection) and placed in a flimsy DHL plastic bag. But both coins were still protected in their flips, which were themselves inserted into corrugated cardboard ‘sleeves’, and arrived in perfect condition. You can pay the freight forwarder to improve the packaging.</p><p><br /></p><p>- Some retailers won’t ship to freight forwarding companies. Some freight forwarders need notification if you're sending coins, especially if they're high value. So you need to ask.</p><p><br /></p><p>- You need to make sure your reference number is included in the address, as this is all that identifies it as your package. This can get lost e.g. when using Paypal. Make sure the dealer knows to include it, otherwise you might get charged another fee by the freight forwarder for working out whose package it is.</p><p><br /></p><p>But not only is shipping tax-trapped coins possible, it can even be cheaper. Coins of the world, be free![/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>
[QUOTE="John Conduitt, post: 8348590, member: 109923"]Shipping from overseas can be slow. But new tax collection rules in the UK, EU and US have made buying some coins impossible. Dealers must now do more paperwork to ship overseas, which was already unattractive with the cost and the risk of shipments going missing. Some dealers, particularly (but not only) in the US, have simply stopped shipping overseas. As some collectors have found, such as [USER=31620]@maridvnvm[/USER] [URL]https://www.cointalk.com/threads/some-us-vcoins-dealers-no-longer-ship-to-uk.394935/[/URL], this means the entire inventory of many US dealers is trapped. Coins just can’t get out of the US, even to their countries of birth. It’s a sad, cruel situation. We in ‘World’ lands must paw at the bullet-proof window and pine. [B]The error message on VCoins if you dare order from many a US dealer from beyond the wall[/B] [ATTACH=full]1480912[/ATTACH] But there is hope. VCoins suggests, ‘Please use a different address’. So, I enlisted the services of a freight forwarder. They receive orders you place with coin dealers or any other retail establishment, consolidate them, hold them for free for up to 45 days and ship them to you when you’re ready. They only charge when you ship. To test this system, I ordered 2 relatively inexpensive coins from different dealers, using my new ‘US address’. They both charged $4 for shipping within the US. One coin arrived with the forwarder (Stackry) after 2 days, the other after 6 days. I asked for the orders to be consolidated and declared their value and contents (‘copper coins over 100 years old’). They were shipped the next day. 15 days after placing the original orders, the coins were safely in my hand in the UK. In this case, no extra customs fees or taxes were charged. [B]Antoninus Pius As, 154-155. One of the escapees[/B] [ATTACH=full]1480911[/ATTACH] [B]Rome. Bronze, 26mm, 10.4g. Laureate bust, no drapery on left shoulder; ANTONINVS AVG PIVS P P TR P XVIII. Felicitas standing left, holding corn ears and winged caduceus; FELICI-TAS COS IIII S C (RIC 937).[/B] A ‘Coin of British Association’. The forwarder charged £13.90 for shipping and insurance, and £3.27 for consolidation. The total cost (including the dealer shipping charges) was £23.77. Since the dealers don’t ship to the UK, there isn’t a cost to compare against. But over the last year I’ve been charged an average of £13 by US dealers for direct shipments of similar value, which would’ve been £26 for the two coins. With more coins, the saving could’ve been significant (and the cost per coin much better). Now, I’ve only done this once. I’d been told such a foolhardy venture would not end well. Perhaps I got lucky. There are a few things to bear in mind: - The forwarder may not package your coins as well as the dealers did. Mine had been removed from their original outer envelopes (presumably for customs inspection) and placed in a flimsy DHL plastic bag. But both coins were still protected in their flips, which were themselves inserted into corrugated cardboard ‘sleeves’, and arrived in perfect condition. You can pay the freight forwarder to improve the packaging. - Some retailers won’t ship to freight forwarding companies. Some freight forwarders need notification if you're sending coins, especially if they're high value. So you need to ask. - You need to make sure your reference number is included in the address, as this is all that identifies it as your package. This can get lost e.g. when using Paypal. Make sure the dealer knows to include it, otherwise you might get charged another fee by the freight forwarder for working out whose package it is. But not only is shipping tax-trapped coins possible, it can even be cheaper. Coins of the world, be free![/QUOTE]
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